Stickfloat Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Hi there, recently brought myself a new Webly Stingray .177 spring rifle, It's a cracking piece of kit packing 11.7ft/lb. Since it's pretty powerful it does give a good kick and I'm finding that it is very hold sensitive. I've been practising with it alot and can't seem to get any better than about a 2" size group at 30 yards and ideally, before I go out in the field I want to be halving that. I've had the rifle around 2months and have been shooting regulary. I always use the Artilliry hold when practising in order to allow the gun to move. I was just wondering whether anybody has any tips on improving my grouping with the rife. Cheers,Joe. ps, Also usually lean on a dustbin with a stack of old towels to rest on (the gun rests on my open palm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome of the Woods Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Ususaly stuff really, do as you are with the front hand. Loose grip on the pistol grip and a gentle squeeze on the trigger rather than pulling it. A good vid for shooting positions and technique: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickfloat Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Ususaly stuff really, do as you are with the front hand. Loose grip on the pistol grip and a gentle squeeze on the trigger rather than pulling it. A good vid for shooting positions and technique: Ok thanks for your reply I will try that, Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 It really boils down to providing a stable platform so that the rifle can recoil freely in a linear manner. In other words think of it as allowind the rifle to 'do it's job'. Be relaxed and still, pausing on the exhale as you steadily increase pressure on the trigger till the shot is released and watch through the scope til you see the impact. Wearing a glove on the forehand definitely helps with this. If you are doing all this consistently and still getting 2 inch groups, try some different ammo. Best of luck Duncan :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albion Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Try shooting with your thumb up. This helped my springer technique alot. I think it stops you gripping the rifle too much, or getting your hand in the way of the recoil. Also try pulling the trigger with different parts of your finger. Make sure the butt is fitting your shoulder comfortably and consistently. Basically you don't want any pivot points, but rather a smooth recoil motion in line with the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garden gun Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Echo the others. Try a bit of breath control as well. Breath steadily then as you take up aim exhale slightly and the hold as you squeeze the trigger. Breath translates to "off" at the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Pellets what are you using,a smooth domed pellet like rws superfield is a must,do you think it is not floating on your fore grip as this will create a jolt,its a pity you couldnt have got a pcp as even a cheap one would group better especially at 30 yrds. Have you got a mod fitted,this may cause bad groupings If nothing improves it,send it back to the factory under warranty Edited February 20, 2011 by vampire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 The gun is still very new, often it takes a tin or two of pellets before the barrel settles in. Also you will have to find the best pellet for your particular gun, so try a few to see how they al group. Also, the main thing with springers is you do the same thing every time, ie the same hold, the same grip etc. so once you find what works keep doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDF Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Keep a regular breathing pattern, and hold the rifle firmly but let it recoil, go with it and don't try to stop it, seems best for me anyway. Just try to make sure you use the exact same technique for every shot, and maybe try some different pellets, dome heads are usually the most accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 For the vast majority of shooters, a relaxed hold rather than a firm grip is best for shooting a recoiling rifle Duncan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickfloat Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Thanks for all of your Replys, I will try what you have all suggested tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I'm using rws super fields. The rifle has already had about 3 tins of pellets through it so I think its bedded in by now. I really think it maybe just me and my technique that needs to be adapted to the gun. It.s a nice rifle and its a shame I find it difficult to shoot straight. Would love to get my hands on a cheap pcp soon. It just seems expensive to get the whole set up with charging gear etc. I will let you know how I get on with it, thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Thanks for all of your Replys, I will try what you have all suggested tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I'm using rws super fields. The rifle has already had about 3 tins of pellets through it so I think its bedded in by now. I really think it maybe just me and my technique that needs to be adapted to the gun. It.s a nice rifle and its a shame I find it difficult to shoot straight. Would love to get my hands on a cheap pcp soon. It just seems expensive to get the whole set up with charging gear etc. I will let you know how I get on with it, thanks for your help! Hey chap, don't lose heart with the springer, I think after 3 tins of pellets it's pretty well bedded in, but the rifles action will still improve further with use and time. It may just be a case of finding the right ammo - FT Trophy's. AA fields, JSB's, even Wasps. I'm afraid that the PCP is not necessarily the panacea of airgun shooting that people hope it will be - my bag didn't improve that much when I plumped for the near-legendary HW100S. Your springer will keep your technique 'honest' as it forces you to shoot properly, with a consistent relaxed hold and attention to follow through and the essential pause in the exhale before releasing the shot. Is the rifle going off sweetly and predictably? If not, it may be worth stripping, cleaning and re-lubing the internals appropriately (DIY) or getting a competent gunsmith to do it for you. At 1500 pellets through the bore, I'd also give the barrel a clean before trying other brands of pellets and ignore the first few shots (10 or so) after the barrel has been cleaned whilst it re-acquires some lead lubricant. Whereabouts are you? If you're close, I don't mind giving the rifle the 'once-over' as I've done a fair amount of work on springers in my time and don't mind helping if I can. Cheers Duncan Edit - just seen Kirkby in Ashfield, Notts. 96 miles away. Crud! Edited February 20, 2011 by The Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickfloat Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Duncan, I love the rifle and would be really happy to finally shoot it straight. I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to cleaning barrels etc, so would need a bit of a pointer in that department. I've been told over and over by shooting friends that there is nothing wrong with the rifle, its just me I'm guessing. What cleaning kit would you recommend? Also can you buy pellet trial packs so its easy to see what suits my rifle? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Duncan, I love the rifle and would be really happy to finally shoot it straight. I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to cleaning barrels etc, so would need a bit of a pointer in that department. I've been told over and over by shooting friends that there is nothing wrong with the rifle, its just me I'm guessing. What cleaning kit would you recommend? Also can you buy pellet trial packs so its easy to see what suits my rifle? Cheers! pm coming re cleaning barrel, but you can get pellet trial packs from pellpax (easy to find on line) which will give you a good spread. Try to relax about this fixable accuracy issue - it is curable and tension will show through in your shooting. Cheers Duncan Edited February 20, 2011 by The Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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