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#21 Ice

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 09:43 AM

I have two dogs...

A Yorkshire terrier and a Lab cross colly.

Both of them are petrefied of all the guys i have ever had, when ever i have been cleaning them in the kitchen both of them are cowering in the beds and wont move a muscle....

Why is this??? they have never seen the guys firing and have to my knowledge never been shot by anything, so how do they know what they are or what they do??

Even more of a mystery, how to i get them to be more relaxed around them??

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 10:09 AM

do you do gundog training with them

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 08:37 PM

The worse things that you could do is take the dog to your local clay grounds where he is going to be over whelmed by the noise of guns going off or to shoot right over or beside him.


NTTF


NTTF you say the above but what if there is just like one person shooting at the clay club? As I mentioned in a previous thread my dog was not shy of the shotgun or the noise of it, they were shooting before I got there so shots were being fired as I was walking to the grounds till we got right next to the shotguns. Wouldnt that be a good idea?

For the past year I took him out when fireworks were going off and he was slightly shy of them but gave him praise, seems to be alrite with them as well and when I sit down on the sofa I slap the side of the sofa to make a load noise also when reading a hardbacked book I usually slam it shut which a couple of times makes him jump.

Is it just that some dogs dont mind and some do. Mean my dog didnt even see a shotgun or hear a shotgun before yesterday, and the couch there said he was real good round a shotgun.

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 09:02 PM

The worse things that you could do is take the dog to your local clay grounds where he is going to be over whelmed by the noise of guns going off or to shoot right over or beside him.


NTTF


NTTF you say the above but what if there is just like one person shooting at the clay club? As I mentioned in a previous thread my dog was not shy of the shotgun or the noise of it, they were shooting before I got there so shots were being fired as I was walking to the grounds till we got right next to the shotguns. Wouldnt that be a good idea?

For the past year I took him out when fireworks were going off and he was slightly shy of them but gave him praise, seems to be alrite with them as well and when I sit down on the sofa I slap the side of the sofa to make a load noise also when reading a hardbacked book I usually slam it shut which a couple of times makes him jump.

Is it just that some dogs dont mind and some do. Mean my dog didnt even see a shotgun or hear a shotgun before yesterday, and the couch there said he was real good round a shotgun.

thanks

Df


DF,

If it is introduced in a controlled manner, one gun and a very slow advance then yes it can work. It would be very wise to have some retrieving going on while advanceing aswell.

Most of the gunshy dogs out there today were developed by people either shooting directly over them the first time out with the gun or by driving to the gun club and unloading fido from the car to listen to blast after blast.

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 09:34 PM

I mentioned this to dustyfox just recently..........I found balloons are great to introduce your dog to pops/bangs, blow them up only a little to start with then more as time goes by. I realise it doesn't correct gun shyness entirely but it does work well. My pointer will sit with a vacant look on her face if you aim a party popper over her head, she doesn't even blink at the 'pop' but goes mad for the streamers. I am no expert I assure you but this is really worth a try. My one remaining springer and the GSP love thunder and fireworks too. Just recently my pointer went to a shoot where 5 guns were shooting one after another in turn, it was her first 'look' at real gunfire.....she just sat down and scratched her ear then continued to lick the ear wax from her claws. Wonderful to realise she simply isn't fazed by gunfire but I was expecting a little more interest :hmm:

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 10:00 PM

KK thanks I will have to ask the couch next time I visit if it will be alright to do the dummy training at the same time, and thanks for pointing it out.

Df

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 12:56 PM

Prior to the laws regarding imitation firearms, I used a starting pistol one evening in a local park (it was empty on a drizzly evening and I was well within the law according to my local FO). Had a good little training session, went home and thought nothing of it. The next day I found out that an ex-policeman who lived near the park had reported hearing the sound of a "shotgun" in the park which in turn led to every exit being covered by fully tooled Kent and Met Tactical Fireams officers before sending the dogs in to search for the gunman. Seems funny looking back but just be careful where you use a starting pistol - guidelines as follows...

* Ensure that you use your starting pistol only on private land
* Ensure that you have the permission of the landowner to use the starting pistol
* Ensure that you cannot be observed using the starting pistol by any members of the public at any time. (Be aware of where public footpaths may cross or border the land you are on)
* Ensure that the starting pistol is kept completely covered at all times when not in use

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 10:18 PM

Merman had it spot on.
This is what I did with my young golden and it was so easy.
Take your time. don't rush.
Job done and a nice settled balanced little dog

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 10:23 AM

Hi. New to this site. Joined to get advice on Clays but SWMBO works our dogs (FlatCoats) so was very interested in this thread

She does a certain amount of trials and goes gundog training weekly. She also started at a local shoot last year picking up and thoroughly enjoyed it.

They start off with a dummy launcher and for our previous dog this seems to have worked and she was never gun shy.

Keen to read this thread tho as we now have a 16 week old liver FCR - who has started her training already.

I was going to take her to the clay shoot and start in the car park, however, may suggest the CD mentioned on here.

Is it available via iTunes?

Mark

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:53 PM

I took our Golden retriever to a local clay pigeon ground at about 16 weeks old. Started him off in the car park and moved gradually closer to the guns. Not fussing him, but plenty of treats and playing to keep him occupied.

Now he gets very bored by gunfire, even if sat at my feet whilst I'm shooting. We even took him along to a civil war reenactment the other day and he wasn't bothered by the canons and muskets, and they were loud.

Maybe we chose the right dog, maybe he's a bit dim, but it certainly worked for us.

Merman

Introducing the dog at the local clay ground worked for me too. Started off in the car park and gradually getting closer to the shooting stands, now she sits and waits at my side while I shoot. Only problem is she wants to go and pick up the pieces of broken clay and gets frustrated when I won't let her LOL.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 03:13 PM

I normally go to a clay ground , however i took my 25 week old Viszla and her sister out to see how they would react last week, i took my Bracco italiano as a bit of support. My wife came and held the pups, at 50 yards, bang....not the slightest reaction, so we let them off, 35 yards nothing, then a pigeon came over and I shot over the top of them....didnt bat an eyelid.....absolutely over the moon!!!!

Next day, took them again, shot the first pigeon that came over, the pup who was watching went straight after it but couldnt get to it dude to brambles.......but what a great start!!!!!!! :good: :good: :good: :good:

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 07:33 PM

How could i get a copy of starfire cd,who sells them?? thanks.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:45 PM

I have used a .22 starting pistol with my springer and latterly my 2 cockers (8 months and 10 months now). I agree that the pitch and report of a 22 starting pistol is quite different to a shotgun. I started during a normal obedience walk by having my wife drop back with the starter pistol in my game bag which muffles the shot producing a much softer, deeper bang. As soon as the gun went off and the dogs reacted to the report, I made a great fuss of them and provided the reassurance that was needed. This progressed until the gun was closer and more frequent, then came out of the bag at distance and progressively got nearer to the dog.

Start slow and soft - baby steps as opposed to rushing in.

Good Luck.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:47 AM

Got 2 more viszlas coming from Budapest this week, will be taking them out for some clays!!!

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:57 PM

I have used a .22 starting pistol with my springer and latterly my 2 cockers (8 months and 10 months now). I agree that the pitch and report of a 22 starting pistol is quite different to a shotgun. I started during a normal obedience walk by having my wife drop back with the starter pistol in my game bag which muffles the shot producing a much softer, deeper bang. As soon as the gun went off and the dogs reacted to the report, I made a great fuss of them and provided the reassurance that was needed. This progressed until the gun was closer and more frequent, then came out of the bag at distance and progressively got nearer to the dog.

Start slow and soft - baby steps as opposed to rushing in.

Good Luck.


This is exactly what I am going to do.

Luckily my dog isn't bothered by fireworks and a year ago i was stoking my fire when a cigarette lighter must have slipped out on my shirt pocket into it. I was sitting watching the telly when there was a hissing sound...i was just trying to figure out what was happening when there was an almighty bang. It gave me a right shock and i saw shock waves move the grate...luckily i didnt react outwardly and i looked at my dog curled up on him bed and he just wagged his tail lol.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:40 PM

my Border Collie was teething whilst at Selby Game Fair, we were all in our modest (tiny) caravan that we owned at the time when at about midnight everyone started with the Lebanese unload, the dog hit every wall of the caravan has since hated any of it. Fireworks included.

Edited by Roundhead1649, 30 October 2012 - 06:42 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:04 AM

An old friend of mine used to train his pups with one of those blast bangers what gamekeepers an the like used to use for intruders. Just attached a line to it a couple of hundred yards long and gradually got closer. I no there cheaper than starting pistols and much more realistic to the sound the dog is going to hear in the field. I've aquired a gas bird banger that I will use when the time comes.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:36 PM

My dog always loved it. Chased after kids with bangers when she was a year, took her to country shows at 1-2 to watch and she hated the lead but wants to run in. She will be 3 next month and I can fire right next to her. She still runs in. But I love her, she will retrieve and is a good rough dog.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:39 AM

Hi All

Does anyone know where I can the Starfire cd with instructions, I've tried the link on this post and it doesn't work ?

Cheers

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

I took our Golden retriever to a local clay pigeon ground at about 16 weeks old. Started him off in the car park and moved gradually closer to the guns. Not fussing him, but plenty of treats and playing to keep him occupied.

Now he gets very bored by gunfire, even if sat at my feet whilst I'm shooting. We even took him along to a civil war reenactment the other day and he wasn't bothered by the canons and muskets, and they were loud.

Maybe we chose the right dog, maybe he's a bit dim, but it certainly worked for us.

Merman


This is what I did ! Alot easier




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