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#1 mr williamson

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:19 AM

I shoot both shotgun and air gun and was suprised to see that a standard airgun thats producing a muzzle energy of 12ftlbs has around 7ftlbs striking energy at 40yds. A standard 30grm cartridge of 5 shot is a fairly normal cartridge that i use at ranges beyond 40yds and is very effective, now a peice of no5 shot has less than 1ftlb striking energy at 40yds. Is any 1 suprised by this?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:45 AM

Dont know where you got your data its wrong.

Lymans 5th edition does not show anything that low even moving down a shot size.

other extreme foster slug 100 yards 1014 ft/lbs

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:47 AM

And that was after converting US to english size

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:18 AM

Dont know where you got your data its wrong.

Lymans 5th edition does not show anything that low even moving down a shot size.

other extreme foster slug 100 yards 1014 ft/lbs

air gun world magazine and spirting gun. Im definately not rong

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:46 AM

It certianly sounds a bit dodgy numbers wise.

Howver, thinking logically, a piece of No. 5 is alot smaller and lighter than an air gun pellet, so it will not carry the same energy to begin with. Also consider that an air rifle fires one projectile where as with a shotgun you will have many pellets impacting on the target at the same range and the difference in energy transfer starts to decrease.

Edited by cant hit rabbits 123, 07 July 2012 - 11:46 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:52 AM

I'm a tad surprised by it and also fail to see were an airgun would be out and out more effective at 40yards. Don't get me wrong airguns have there uses and I use one fairly regularly but more effective. Not for me in most situations I shoot in.

Anyhow bet some boffins will be along shortly with there take on it.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:16 PM

There are too many variables involved , yes the airgun is very effective at 40 yards if you can do your bit.
But a airgun pellet is leaving the barrel around half the muzzle energy of a shot gun , the smaller pellets of a shotgun will penetrate better at that range and of course you have so many more pellets to achieve that clean kill we all desire.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 02:54 PM

As an indication, the Hull cartridge website shows approx 2.7 ft.lb at 40m for a 30gm 5 (high pheasant 1450fps).

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:44 PM

My appologys it is 2.7 ftlbs at 40 yds just checked. But still 12 ftlb airgun give or take still carries more kinetic energy.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:57 PM

My appologys it is 2.7 ftlbs at 40 yds just checked. But still 12 ftlb airgun give or take still carries more kinetic energy.


Like I said, a pellet is larger and heavier than a single piece of No.5. It stands to reason that the pellet will carry more energy.

Lets say (as an example) 10 pellets hit a target at 40 yards.

So, an airgun pellet has 7 ftib of energy at the target.

The shotgun pellets have a combined energy of 27ftib at the target.

Details are definately relevent here, and it seems to be a classic case of making numbers lie.

Edited by cant hit rabbits 123, 07 July 2012 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:06 PM

I was just going to say, get a mate to stand 40yrds away with shotgun and tell him to give you a barrel to the chest, at 1-2.7lb you will be fine :)

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:46 PM

yes but each pellet carries that energy x 30 hits or more and its a lot more lethal. Why do people still read these magazines? full of rubbish and adverts and darn near 5 a pop :rolleyes:

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:53 PM

yes but each pellet carries that energy x 30 hits or more and its a lot more lethal. Why do people still read these magazines? full of rubbish and adverts and darn near 5 a pop :rolleyes:


Something other than the news paper at the end of the day.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 07:41 PM

no1 buck 40 yards each piece has 80 ft/lbs

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 07:53 PM

We wernt talking about buckshot if you look i said no5 shot its in writing in sporting gun theres a chart that has the figures of each shot size at 40yds and the ftlbs of energy it carries

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 08:02 PM

Not in the least bit surprised. No 5 shot is half the diameter of a .22 pellet, much lighter and a spherical pellet has **** poor ballistic coefficient so will shed energy and velocity fast. However, there is only one pellet per pull of the trigger from an air rifle, as opposed to 220 (1oz load) from a 12 bore. Even at 40 yards a rabbit or pigeon in the main part of of the pattern is going to be struck with multiple pellets, the combined energy of which is going to far outweigh an single air rifle pellet.

Edited by Blunderbuss, 07 July 2012 - 08:02 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2012 - 08:06 PM

Your title air guns more efective than shotty at range.


OO 40yard 125 ft/lbs each pellet.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 08:10 PM

To think of it differently, at 40yds would you consider a well aimed shot from an air rifle to be as/more effective than a shotgun hit ?

Actually, I would. A pellet through the brain beats random pellets any day.

To paraphrase a well known saying: Power is fine, accuracy is final.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 08:20 PM

To think of it differently, at 40yds would you consider a well aimed shot from an air rifle to be as/more effective than a shotgun hit ?

Actually, I would. A pellet through the brain beats random pellets any day.

To paraphrase a well known saying: Power is fine, accuracy is final.

Well aimed shot from shotgun at flying pigeon dead pigeon could you hit it with air rifle,

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 08:53 PM

i wouldnt even compare the 2 a shotty will still kill at greater distance and a moving target horses for courses i suppose :good:




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