born_2_kill Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I have a AYA magnum sxs 12g and today for the first time I though I would try some 3 inch 50g cartridges in it. However this resulted in my fore-end comming away from the barrel during the round being shot. The fore-end doesnt feel loose in anyway at all however it is quite easy to remove when unlocking the leaver. What would cause this and how can it be fixed, also could it have caused any other damage on the gun. I will be getting it looked at next weekend by my local gunshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumbrian shooter Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Post some pics up mate im sure some of the guys on here will be happy to help! Good luck C.S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_2_kill Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 There no visual damage done to the gun as a result it all looks fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) I assume it does have 3" chambers? Ignore that, I didn't read the magnum part sorry! Edited November 10, 2012 by oscarsdad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) You put a 50g cartridge through an AYA 12 bore 3 inch magnum side-by-side?? What on earth were you shooting at? 50g is the equivalent of around one and three-quarter ounces, and should be regarded as a 10 bore load, or even a light 8 bore load, and best suited to a gun weighing around 10lbs and appropriately proofed. How heavy is your AYA? And what service pressure is it designed for? I can't understand this vogue for increasingly heavy loads. Is it some sort of macho daftness? Or a lack of basic knowledge about shooting? Why can't people get it into their heads that they can't stuff increasingly heavy loads into guns without creating high pressures, brutal recoil, and stresses that will shorten the gun's life - and possibly the shooter's life, too? The fact that a particular type of cartridge can be fitted into a gun DOESN'T mean that it's SUITED to it! Edited November 10, 2012 by aldivalloch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I don't think 50g is an unusually high load for a 3" cartridge. Although I agree, there is a shocking lack of knowledge/consistency/information with regards to test pressures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_2_kill Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) You put a 50g cartridge through an AYA 12 bore 3 inch magnum side-by-side?? What on earth were you shooting at? 50g is the equivalent of around one and three-quarter ounces, and should be regarded as a 10 bore load, or even a light 8 bore load, and best suited to a gun weighing around 10lbs and appropriately proofed. How heavy is your AYA? And what service pressure is it designed for? I can't understand this vogue for increasingly heavy loads. Is it some sort of macho daftness? Or a lack of basic knowledge about shooting? Why can't people get it into their heads that they can't stuff increasingly heavy loads into guns without creating high pressures, brutal recoil, and stresses that will shorten the gun's life - and possibly the shooter's life, too? The fact that a particular type of cartridge can be fitted into a gun DOESN'T mean that it's SUITED to it! Proofed at 1200 kp/cm2 and I think the gun weighs around 6.5 pounds and I intended to shoot foxes but didnt see any today Edited November 10, 2012 by born_2_kill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 50g lead 3" is a fox load. Well thats what i bought them for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 If the gun is suitably proofed why not put through it what the owner wants to. After all shooting is about having fun and a bigger boom is always more fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Proofed at 1200 kp/cm2 and I think the gun weighs around 6.5 pounds and I intended to shoot foxes but didnt see any today What pressure test limit are the cartridges safe to shoot within? Should say on the box. If under 1200, shouldn't have damaged your gun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_2_kill Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 If the gun is suitably proofed why not put through it what the owner wants to. After all shooting is about having fun and a bigger boom is always more fun. THIS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I shoot 50gm 3" loads sometimes for high geese that are over land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_2_kill Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 What pressure test limit are the cartridges safe to shoot within? Should say on the box. If under 1200, shouldn't have damaged your gun... They say 1050 Bar on the Cartridge, I did check all this before I purchased them, I didnt however except the fore-end to pop off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 just looked on lydale express game 3" 50gr bb's no pressures listed on the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 They say 1050 Bar on the Cartridge, I did check all this before I purchased them, I didnt however except the fore-end to pop off Could just be down to wear on the catch's.the hook type catchs should be straight and sqaure on the barrel and forend,easy fix if worn by a gun smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_2_kill Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Could just be down to wear on the catch's.the hook type catchs should be straight and sqaure on the barrel and forend,easy fix if worn by a gun smith. They are nice and square and sharp, not worn in anyway which is strange, maybe they dont meet and interlock far enough.... Edited November 10, 2012 by born_2_kill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 just looked on lydale express game 3" 50gr bb's no pressures listed on the box. You sure? Anything on the cartridge? If not, I would not use those cartridges. If they are higher than what your gun has been tested for, it could get messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Could be. Next thing could be you didnt put it on right.That would be the best fix. And im not having a go as i have done this.Always knock mine on with the ball of my hand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 You sure? Anything on the cartridge? If not, I would not use those cartridges. If they are higher than what your gun has been tested for, it could get messy Yes im sure,im may not be able to spell but i can read . they are for going up my sx3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_2_kill Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Could be. Next thing could be you didnt put it on right.That would be the best fix. And im not having a go as i have done this.Always knock mine on with the ball of my hand now. This is what I orginally thought, so I refitted the fore-end nice and tight and re-test and the same thing again. Confusing one I will let my gun shop take a look. Thanks again every-one that actually helped for you help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 was there much kick? ie noticibly more then your normal carts? (guessing yh but never tried a 50grammer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I used a couple of 50 grain loads in my Urika 391, testing them for a fox load, and the gun failed to load the next cart. Why? On inspection, the plastic and metal recoil buffer in the rear of the action had sheared. Quite possibly this may have happened anyway due to wear and tear, but even in a gas operated semi auto, the felt recoil was 'decent'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 You tried it again! who are you "born to kill", yourself perhaps? take the forend off and try and waggle the barrels, any play? if there is your gun has simply shot loose over the years. I shoot a fair few shells of this nature through a 3" s/s foxing and its quite safe in a good condition 3" magnum, proof pressures mean very little as all guns will wear with age and use and abuse eventually becoming unsafe to use without repair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I have got an AYA 3" mag too. Try the Buffalo 36gm BBs. Less chance of taking something out with the forend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Sounds ideal, the fore-end is ready in your hand to finish off the pigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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