Noidea Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 excuse the title, something I brought over from a kayak forum, we never just put straight forward titles Anyway. back to topic, I am currently doing all the research I can in order to make a safe and legal transition from the air rifle to the shotgun, but this has been a kick up the chuff for me in as much as im totally confused, I know most of the things I have to do, and I will make a list in case ive missed something you all think is important, but I have no idea as to what would be the order to do it all in. so far this is the stuff I think I need before I can get going Gun Cabinet, police approved Ammo cabinet, police approved BASC insurance somewhere to shoot. (I have this part sorted) SGC someone to counter sign my certificate police to come to house and talk to me any extra house security tuition,( I this a must before I will be granted SGC?) I have mates that shoot and will show me all I need to know, but is this ok with mr policeman? eventually a gun I could turn this little lot into questions but it would mean an instant 100 posts probably. but I do need advice on which of these things should come first, and which bits wont be accepted until I have them in place, I have a rough idea. but not enough to start sending off applications to who it has to go to along with cheques that I might not get back if refused once I have my certificate I will have a different set of questions to ask, but if I cannot get the SGC in the first place I don't need to bother you with them yet Would appreciate any feedback Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Hi, You don't NEED tuition but having someone show you the ropes safety wise is always a good idea You don't NEED an ammunition cabinet, just somewhere sensible to store them You don't NEED BASC insurance but some form of insurance is very desirable and BASC are about as good as you get Strictly speaking you don't NEED somewhere to shoot but the police will ask where you intend to shoot, what you intend to shoot If you have have double glazing including doors then that will suffice for house security Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Gun Cabinet, police approved BS7558 approved one is a good place to start, 4/5 gun ideally, needs to be out of site of casual visitors (ie someone who knocks the door) and not visible from ground floor windows Ammo cabinet, police approved Not required for section 2 shotgun shells BASC insurance NOt "required" but good idea even covers you for air rifle shootign somewhere to shoot. (I have this part sorted) Written permission ideally SGC This comes in the post someone to counter sign my certificate Someone who has known you for 2 years and has a clean record, upstanding person police to come to house and talk to me Needs to be your "permanent address" any extra house security Depends where you live, decent door locks and widows a good idea tuition,( I this a must before I will be granted SGC?) I have mates that shoot and will show me all I need to know, but is this ok with mr policeman? tuition isnt a necessity but a good idea find a local clay ground and have a few lessons eventually a gun see above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Excellent, part of the way there, I have double glazing. cheers shaun. being educated already, thought the ammo had to be put in a strong locked box separate from the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 thought the ammo had to be put in a strong locked box separate from the gun. Only for section 1 ammo, rifle rounds etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Gun Cabinet, police approved BS7558 approved one is a good place to start, 4/5 gun ideally, needs to be out of site of casual visitors (ie someone who knocks the door) and not visible from ground floor windows Ammo cabinet, police approved Not required for section 2 shotgun shells BASC insurance NOt "required" but good idea even covers you for air rifle shootign somewhere to shoot. (I have this part sorted) Written permission ideally SGC This comes in the post someone to counter sign my certificate Someone who has known you for 2 years and has a clean record, upstanding person police to come to house and talk to me Needs to be your "permanent address" any extra house security Depends where you live, decent door locks and widows a good idea tuition,( I this a must before I will be granted SGC?) I have mates that shoot and will show me all I need to know, but is this ok with mr policeman? tuition isnt a necessity but a good idea find a local clay ground and have a few lessons eventually a gun see above! cheers mate, you see it was a good idea to join this site, I have no idea, but with this sort of help and help from the other chap I will get the idea before too long I hope Thanks for the help so far guys Only for section 1 ammo, rifle rounds etc oh, fair enough, something learnt straight away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Some stuff worth reading: http://basc.org.uk/cop/shotgun-safety-code-of-practice/ http://basc.org.uk/game-and-gamekeeping/quarry-species-shooting-seasons/ http://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2013/11/BASC-guide-to-firearm-and-shotgun-applications.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 will give those a go, have come across 1 and 3 in my research but have not seen the middle one, will be tonights reading cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 excuse the title, something I brought over from a kayak forum, we never just put straight forward titles Anyway. back to topic, I am currently doing all the research I can in order to make a safe and legal transition from the air rifle to the shotgun, but this has been a kick up the chuff for me in as much as im totally confused, I know most of the things I have to do, and I will make a list in case ive missed something you all think is important, but I have no idea as to what would be the order to do it all in. so far this is the stuff I think I need before I can get going Gun Cabinet, police approved Ammo cabinet, police approved BASC insurance somewhere to shoot. (I have this part sorted) SGC someone to counter sign my certificate police to come to house and talk to me any extra house security tuition,( I this a must before I will be granted SGC?) I have mates that shoot and will show me all I need to know, but is this ok with mr policeman? eventually a gun I could turn this little lot into questions but it would mean an instant 100 posts probably. but I do need advice on which of these things should come first, and which bits wont be accepted until I have them in place, I have a rough idea. but not enough to start sending off applications to who it has to go to along with cheques that I might not get back if refused once I have my certificate I will have a different set of questions to ask, but if I cannot get the SGC in the first place I don't need to bother you with them yet Would appreciate any feedback Paul They refund your money if you are refused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I don't think I have ever been called "The other chap" before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 They refund your money if you are refused. That's a bonus, cheers, does that mean you have a past refusal then? or did you just ask out of curiosity? I don't think I have ever been called "The other chap" before Well they say you should try everything atleast once, variety is the spice of life and all that, glad I could help you out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 That's a bonus, cheers, does that mean you have a past refusal then? or did you just ask out of curiosity? It's on the notes with the form that "unsuccessful applications are refunded" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 It's on the notes with the form that "unsuccessful applications are refunded" Beat me to it. Never had a refusal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 oh right, that's good news, once I know what order I am going to do everything in I will just give it a go then, nothing to lose and possibly a lot to gain, I cant seem to find that info myself so I will make sure I know the forms word for word before I make a start, don't take owning a live firing gun very likely and would like to believe that I do things the right way, keep the info coming, its always appreciated Thanks Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Welcome to the forum. Insurance wise you need to have a look at the different ones on offer and make the choice that's right for you. Don't just go with BASC because that's what people are saying on this or any other forum. You'll want to cast your eye over the relevant websites and policy documents for (but not limited to): * BASC * Countryside Alliance * CCC * SACS I've had three of the above and haven't had to claim for anything as yet but the price ranges from c.£25 for CCC and SACS to c.£65 for BASC. Obviously there are additional benefits to each membership option but make sure you boil it down to what you need before you factor in the cost. On a different note, as others have said... You can pick up a cheap second hand cabinet (go bigger than you think you currently need as you'll probably be bitten by the bug and suddenly amass a collection before you realise what's going on. Don't worry about locked storage for any cartridges, wardrobes or under the bed would suffice Be honest when you fill out your forms (driving convictions, trouble with the police, ill health) and you should be fine. It's a pretty straightforward process for the SGC issue and unless they really think you're a danger then you should sail through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Welcome to the forum. Insurance wise you need to have a look at the different ones on offer and make the choice that's right for you. Don't just go with BASC because that's what people are saying on this or any other forum. You'll want to cast your eye over the relevant websites and policy documents for (but not limited to): * BASC * Countryside Alliance * CCC * SACS I've had three of the above and haven't had to claim for anything as yet but the price ranges from c.£25 for CCC and SACS to c.£65 for BASC. Obviously there are additional benefits to each membership option but make sure you boil it down to what you need before you factor in the cost. On a different note, as others have said... You can pick up a cheap second hand cabinet (go bigger than you think you currently need as you'll probably be bitten by the bug and suddenly amass a collection before you realise what's going on. Don't worry about locked storage for any cartridges, wardrobes or under the bed would suffice Be honest when you fill out your forms (driving convictions, trouble with the police, ill health) and you should be fine. It's a pretty straightforward process for the SGC issue and unless they really think you're a danger then you should sail through. interesting thoughts, only ever heard of BASC, as that's what most people seem to be joining, but will check out those others to see what they offer compared to what I will need. I know what you mean, I already have my eye on 2 guns, and that will probably not be the last that takes my fancy if I can get into this. so have been looking at cabinets with space for 4 guns, wont get that far but, you know just incase never been in trouble in my life, no cautions, convictions or even points, so no probs on that side of things I have a place to shoot that I went and found today, so I do have a good reason for owning one, I will get the proper training first so that wont be an issue, just have to figure out if I have any friends that would be acceptable as signiturees this info is very helpful. and really don't mind the repeats of what others have said, it just backs up the info im getting given, great stuff Thankyou Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Insurance is one thing, an organisation that does something is another.... CPSA NGO can be added to the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Hi Paul welcome to the forum What part of the country are you from and how old are you ? There maybe other PW members near you at local shooting grounds that you can talk to as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Don't get too hung up on finding somewhere to shoot the gun. You don't need "good reason" for a section 2 shotgun as you do with a S1. Just simply stating clay shooting will suffice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Hi Paul welcome to the forum What part of the country are you from and how old are you ? There maybe other PW members near you at local shooting grounds that you can talk to as well . Hi mate, thanks I live in Lowestoft on the Norfolk/Suffolk border, and I am 31 years young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Insurance is one thing, an organisation that does something is another.... CPSA NGO can be added to the list Keep em coming, this is all good stuff, just out of curiosity, which one do you use? and possibly why, I know I will have different needs to you but would be nice to know why people choose the one they go with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Hi Paul welcome to the forum What part of the country are you from and how old are you ? There maybe other PW members near you at local shooting grounds that you can talk to as well . Have some possible shooting ground as far as clays go, but have no idea how to go about getting permission to go for bunnies and pigeon, would be great to get to know some locals Edited March 17, 2014 by Noidea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noidea Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Don't get too hung up on finding somewhere to shoot the gun. You don't need "good reason" for a section 2 shotgun as you do with a S1. Just simply stating clay shooting will suffice oh right, ok, I read into something a bit deep then, thought I needed names of places I would be shooting before they would let me have a live gun, if I state clay shooting to start with when im asked why I want a gun, do I need to tell anyone when it changes to land shooting after I have some permission? Thankyou Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 oh right, ok, I read into something a bit deep then, thought I needed names of places I would be shooting before they would let me have a live gun, if I state clay shooting to start with when im asked why I want a gun, do I need to tell anyone when it changes to land shooting after I have some permission? Thankyou Paul No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travlaa Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Keep em coming, this is all good stuff, just out of curiosity, which one do you use? and possibly why, I know I will have different needs to you but would be nice to know why people choose the one they go with I am a member of the BASC. Seemed a good idea to be a member of a society that supports shooting, and tie in all my insurance needs. They also gave me some good advice when I was waiting for my SGC (as it took a lot longer than it should of done, due to delays in the Essex Firearms). Plus you get a good magazine to read through. One thing that was good advice for me is that if you plan to get 4 guns then buy a 5 gun cabinet and so on..... Fitting 4 guns in a 4 gun cabinet can often be quite a tight fit and you are likely to damage them. Especially if you have a SxS as they take up more room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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