minghis Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Grrrr. Any body else noticed an increase of people mooching around on their permissions recently? I had a group of 6 metal detecting chaps wandering all over one farm the other night, they were friendly enough but it meant I had to abort and move on as they were literally all over the place and it would have been dangerous to carry on. They had asked the farmer and he'd said yes, so at least they asked but I don't think he expected them to split up and cover every inch of land. Then I have this lovely other bit of land which has become something of a 'find' for dog walkers and despite me politely suggesting they'd be better off on a footpath as, err, I'm shooting here.. the message didn't sink in other than the most prolific one now wears a hi-viz vest as he now thinks I will see him and all will be ok... great. Bl**dy dogs running all over and now hi-viz vests aren't going to scare the rabbits away are they! I've just been to another permission to 'touch base' with the farmer and what did I see when driving up to the farm.... another bl**dy metal detector! And just to top it all off I have a regular horse rider thundering around another quiet bit of land every time I seem to be there... it's becoming ever more difficult to find somewhere quiet. I'm sure it never used to be like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 All these other people say the same thing about 'Bloody Stalkers' all over the place and wonder if it is safe to continue metal detecting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 think it's not a new problem 20 years ago gave up a place that I paid rent for with a nice wood that ran along a river often had anglers on the river from a club that had the fishing rights with no problems but folk walking along the river with the kids running about used to scare me when out with gun and dog last straw was a grand dad with a kid on his shoulders and a dog running on in front when asked to go back to the road and use the public footpath I got a mouthfull of abuse and he informed me if a should shoot him or his grand child it would be my fault and of course he was right so gave the place up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Hey i metal detect. And i am sure if we had the same land we would work things out. Thats what we do at home when the shoots are on. Makes sense i dont want to be shot. And beside i pick your cartridges up lol...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 There's a bloke that detects on one of my permissions,If he is there we usually sit and have a chat over a cuppa and then work out where we can both go to be safe,he has given me a couple of musket balls he found,and i have given him some pigeon in the past,it isn't my land so i can work it out or go elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 The night hawk's dug a100 holes in a farmers field in a low spot, they in turn filled up with water and know the wheat in that part has failed.... I am very surprised I have never come across them as I am out quite a bit... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 If you use BB steel you will **** off the metal detectors so much they wont be back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) I sick of horse riders **** stirring . The one perm the owner told me about them moaning to her for shooting near the horses . It's 150 acres and 4 horses which are locked in one small paddock . I ring every time I go. She told me don't worry about them as her husband shoots by them anyway . She said they like to moan. The one horse rider told me she doesn't want her horse shooting All because I park my van near the paddock/drive/car park then wonder off from there but never shoot anywhere near the same field The land owners ace Edited April 17, 2014 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 there is one farm i dont shoot now, people are all over the place they should not be on there but the farmer cant keep them off, he has told them a bout it. but they keep coming back.that is one farm of 4 of an big estate,i use to be the tractor driver on it 30 years ago, befor i went to work for bt. and there were no one walking around it in them days, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) I tried setting up the decoys on one, freshly drilled field last weekend that, during the week, was covered in pigeons. Got everything set up and the down the end by the road a white cab pulled up. I watched it for a while until the driver had stopped fumbling with something in the back seat, only to turn round with detector in hand and proceed to walk all over the lower half of the field with his nice bright jacket on. Needless to say everything that had been flighting in ******** off to the farthest end of the field! ( And it's a huge field). Not to be deterred I packed everything away put it all back in the landy and drove round to where the pigeons had been landing and set up next to the hedge close to a set of wheelings and well away from any footpaths. I had just gone to fetch the deecs from the motor when I heard a high pitched voice in the distance, I whipped back out the motor and peered round the edge of the hedge only to see a cloud of pigeons lifting off as a rather portly middle aged lycra clad women emerged out of the blue mist of birds and feathers with her two equally fat labradors ahead of her, running along the wheel tracks in front of the hide. I thought briefly about advising her off the footpaths, or lack thereof in the immediate vicinity, but thought better of it and simply packed everything away again and gave up and went home. This is the problem with weekend shooting as I see it, you have to share the same ground with everyone else, even if they have no right to be there at the time. Edited April 21, 2014 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Shooting steel shot has very little effect on modern metal detectors-the machine can be set to ignore them or will identify the metal-I don't detect any more but as far as I'm concerned its not my land so if they have permission then good luck to them. In my experience it is far more difficult to get permission to detect than it is to shoot -might be worth chatting to them and finding out if they know of any land where rabbits/pigeons are a problem . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Shooting steel shot has very little effect on modern metal detectors-the machine can be set to ignore them or will identify the metal-I don't detect any more but as far as I'm concerned its not my land so if they have permission then good luck to them. In my experience it is far more difficult to get permission to detect than it is to shoot -might be worth chatting to them and finding out if they know of any land where rabbits/pigeons are a problem . Very well put its about people getting on. I detect and shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 We get them all. Night Hawks trashing fields, horse riders galloping over crops (even the local hunt take chain saws to hedges when there isn't a gateway to suit their convenience. I suspect their permission is about to be revoked). Mountain bike riders cut fence wire to make tracks and everywhere is dog ****, litter and joggers with hi-vis vests and wires in their ears. This, I'm afraid, is the future. 90% of people living in the countryside are urban migrants of the Countryfile school. They regard the landscape as a free public leisure facility and politicians are eager to accommodate them in their grub for votes. The countryside is no longer the place where our food is grown and where wild creatures live. It is empty space to be filled with wind turbines and housing developments and a playground for overgrown children and their toys. Farmers in residence have moved out, the urban public and agricultural contractors who couldn't give a toss what goes on as long as they get paid, have moved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 It's the towny's who dog walk off the footpaths, climb over fences that are the real problem. I was out the other evening at twilight staking out a fox bait, when a couple of dog walkers came mooching up the field. Needless to say no Charlie. After they had moved off a safe distance I let off a round to check zero. Don't think they had heard a cf go off at 100 yrds. They certainly quickened their pace and headed off from whence they came. Maybe they'll keep to the paths in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexcernui Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 My perm has allowed motor bikes in at the weekend and as such the land is now totally unshootable. The bikes have scared every living thing away and are chewing up the banks so badly that the trees are detaching from the ground. They are only supposed to be there at th e weekend but it now seems they have carte blanch to be there whenever they like, and I have been told in my permission slip that I have to give way to bikers. this is my only permission and I did have to pay. I have tried to contact landowner and they dont want to know and I cant get my money back. And to top it off a large are of land that I was told was within boundaries and was given a Google map showing where I could go actually belongs to another landowner who doesnt allow shooting. I understand that shooters dont have exclusive rights to the land but I do feel very ripped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 We get them all. Night Hawks trashing fields, horse riders galloping over crops (even the local hunt take chain saws to hedges when there isn't a gateway to suit their convenience. I suspect their permission is about to be revoked). Mountain bike riders cut fence wire to make tracks and everywhere is dog ****, litter and joggers with hi-vis vests and wires in their ears. This, I'm afraid, is the future. 90% of people living in the countryside are urban migrants of the Countryfile school. They regard the landscape as a free public leisure facility and politicians are eager to accommodate them in their grub for votes. The countryside is no longer the place where our food is grown and where wild creatures live. It is empty space to be filled with wind turbines and housing developments and a playground for overgrown children and their toys. Farmers in residence have moved out, the urban public and agricultural contractors who couldn't give a toss what goes on as long as they get paid, have moved in. That just about sums it up I 100% agree with Gimlet and there were even a few PW members on another post who felt it was allright for people to go where they like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 My perm has allowed motor bikes in at the weekend and as such the land is now totally unshootable. The bikes have scared every living thing away and are chewing up the banks so badly that the trees are detaching from the ground. They are only supposed to be there at th e weekend but it now seems they have carte blanch to be there whenever they like, and I have been told in my permission slip that I have to give way to bikers. this is my only permission and I did have to pay. I have tried to contact landowner and they dont want to know and I cant get my money back. And to top it off a large are of land that I was told was within boundaries and was given a Google map showing where I could go actually belongs to another landowner who doesnt allow shooting. I understand that shooters dont have exclusive rights to the land but I do feel very ripped off. You got a contract or anything signed? - if so, off to small claims court! hurrah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexcernui Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 You got a contract or anything signed? - if so, off to small claims court! hurrah! I got a permission slip signed by the person who looks after the land for the owner. After a little bit of fishing I have found that the landowner is not the most honest of people and has done this kind of thing before. When I first went for a look around I was told that there were only 5 others who had permission to shoot but it seems that there are about 35. at £200 a year each that adds up . I would rather not go shooting than be ripped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Its funny because in northern ireland its not that big of a problem, anytime ive been on the permissions me and my dad shpot its only ever others shooters and even at that its rare to see anyone else on it when im there. I also find that if I ask the farmer if anyone is coming asking him to allow them to be able to metal detecting or walk there dogs hes says no and people respect that is that the problem you lads are having people trespassing or people veering from public footpaths? Or both? If so just report it to the farmer or get no trespassing signs up Dont want to be coming across a know all or smart **** about reportin it to the farmer (s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 On the other side of the river to where I shoot, the landowner sometimes walks his dogs along the river bank, usually upsets any nearby rabbits hiding in the undergrowth my side of the river which is annoying sometimes, especially if you are waiting for them to come out, but then again it is his land and he can do as he pleases. Just comes down to the whole principle of not taking a shot unless you know it's safe. And just about to take a shot the other day when the landowner on my permission came zooming along the field on his quad and scared anything alive off - just to show me his new quad haha. At least he wanted to say hi to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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