pavman Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 lad a work has just been nabbed two days running for clocking 60MPH in a 60 limit as he was in our works van (small transit) apparently its not allowed to do more the 50 on a single road or 60 on a dual..... with that in mind and many of us drive trucks listed as light commercials are we effected (I cant find anything definitive) I drive an Isuzu D Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 http://www.sussexsaferroads.gov.uk/costs/safer-for-business-drivers-faqs/57-costsfaq.html Total news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I believe that that is the case. The exceptions relate to a vehicle derived from a car chassis/design and weight. I don't think many 4x4 pick ups meet that ruling. I found out about this just after I'd sold the Ranger and don't know how I got away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEshooter Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Is it only mobile speed traps that can get you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Was told this some time ago as one of the lads was considering buying a twin wheeler transit, but haven't heard of anyone been nabbed ('til now) due to it. What I find illogical is that the speed limit is set due to the vehicles capability for carrying heavier loads, meaning it can take longer to stop when fully laden, but the same logic doesn't apply at lower speeds such as 30, even when fully laden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmep Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 it depends on the vehicle tax class. if its taxed as lgv, the lgv speed limits apply. my defender is lgv tax, therefore subject to lgv limits. my mate used to have a transporter as a company van, along with other who worked for the same company, and some were lgv and some plg tax class, seemed to be a it pot luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Car derived vans Astra etc have car speed limits, others don't big question is over small vans berlingo etc as they aren't car derived in appearance. But car versions are sold.... Dvla site has guidance and you probably won't like it. 4x4 are even tougher l200 shares bits with shogun navara with pathfinder is the pathfinder a van derived car? Transit and transit connect are not car derived. Edited July 2, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) I am still in the dark as to what rules my Isuzu falls under and I guess others likewise that own similar..... I have a hardtop so cant load the buck and I own my truck to transport dogs and kit but I guess that has no bearing on it... is there perhaps a list of class by make/model? even my local dealer cant answer the question and he sounded worried when I joked I would sue him for not telling me! Edited July 2, 2014 by pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 it depends on the vehicle tax class. if its taxed as lgv, the lgv speed limits apply. That's a common misconception according to the info in the link Gordon R posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I believe that that is the case. The exceptions relate to a vehicle derived from a car chassis/design and weight. I don't think many 4x4 pick ups meet that ruling. I found out about this just after I'd sold the Ranger and don't know how I got away with it. I'd never thought abpout it until this post. I've got a Ranger. I wonder how many pickup owners are aware of this? Very few I would hazard a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits Vans and car-derived vans Most vans are under 7.5 tonnes laden (loaded) weight and must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight. Car-derived vans weigh no more than 2 tonnes when loaded and are based on car designs, such as a Ford Fiesta van or Vauxhall Astra van. Check your log book under body type if youre not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q529.htm This might clarify things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Isuzu D Max has a kerbside weight of:- Kerb Weight 1772–1992 kg http://vans.honestjohn.co.uk/van-reviews/isuzu/d-max-2012/?section=specs So it would meet the dual purpose criterion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 The reason why it is confusing for a dual cab pickup is if it was classed as a dual purpose vehicle, then the restrictions don’t apply. The argument is that it doesn’t matter what the tax disc or log book say because the definition of what is a Dual Purpose Vehicle is in “The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986” and if it meets that criteria then it is deemed a dual purpose vehicle regardless of tax or log book. The speed limits are set in the road traffic regulation act which states that a dual purpose vehicle can do 60 on a single carriageway road. They have removed the dual purpose vehicle definition from the MOT this year which muddies the water further as a lot of Land Rover dual cab pickups that were tested as a dual purpose vehicle can no longer can be, but it is still (for the moment anyway) in the relevant acts. So the question is does your particular vehicle meet the requirements of a dual purpose vehicle. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/made A point to note is that it is unladen weight, which is not the same as kerb weight, Landrover pickups fail on listed kerb weight but sneak under on unladen weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 to save you looking here is a cut and paste: dual-purpose vehicle a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either— (i)is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or (ii)satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely— (a)the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel; (b )the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must— (i)be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and (ii)be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and (c )the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph ( b ) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy69 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Most pickup trucks have same speed limit as trucks. Thames valley police have it right http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/faq-answer?id=Q529. I got flashed doing 80mph in my navara, ticket said travelling at 80mph in a 70 limit. The NIP asked for gross weight for commercial vehicles, so I called them to clarify if I needed to fill this in for the Navara, the man said it is a dual purpose vehicle and not subject to commercial speeds, unless it has been modified and replated changing the unladen weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saufboy Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 From what I gather if your van / pick up is taxed LGV ( light good vehicle ) then you are restricted to LGV ( large good vehicles ) speed limits, if you don't want that then re tax it as PLG and pay the higher tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 From what I gather if your van / pick up is taxed LGV ( light good vehicle ) then you are restricted to LGV ( large good vehicles ) speed limits, if you don't want that then re tax it as PLG and pay the higher tax? Unless its car dervied................. SO what category is one of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saufboy Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Unless its car dervied................. SO what category is one of these? Absolutely no idea but the tax is probley worth more than the motor lol.! I was talking about small transit - Ranger type motors really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Unless its car dervied................. SO what category is one of these? Skoda felicia (sp) pickup, surely based on a skoda felicia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I think the FTA link below will answer most questions http://www.fta.co.uk/policy_and_compliance/road/vehicles/vehicle_speed_limits.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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