Will Poon Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I recently read somewhere that some of our shooters had full money backup and some only had partial funding, is this true and why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Eleven shooters have been selected to compete at the Games across the three disciplines: Olympic Trap (Aaron Heading, Charlotte Kerwood, Caroline Povey and Dave Sipling), Olympic Skeet (Mike Gilligan, Sarah Gray, Amber Hill and Rory Warlow) and Double Trap (Matthew French, Charlotte Kerwood, Rachel Parish and Steve Scott). Six of these athletes are funded by UK Sport as part of the World Class Performance Programme which leaves five self-funded athletes (Matthew French, Sarah Gray, Rachel Parish, Caroline Povey and Dave Sipling) who rely on the generosity of friends, family and sponsors. These five shooters all combine competing at the highest level with full-time careers, whilst juggling training, competitions and for three of the shooters; a young family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 If you would personally like to support those in our Commonwealth Games team who are self-funded they have a crowd funding webpage at http://crowdfunding.clay-shooting.com/campaigns/support-the-england-commonwealth-games-team/. They've had the widow's mite from me as the Paralympic efforts had my attention first, but every little helps. You can also win a day shooting with the England team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Eleven shooters have been selected to compete at the Games across the three disciplines: Olympic Trap (Aaron Heading, Charlotte Kerwood, Caroline Povey and Dave Sipling), Olympic Skeet (Mike Gilligan, Sarah Gray, Amber Hill and Rory Warlow) and Double Trap (Matthew French, Charlotte Kerwood, Rachel Parish and Steve Scott). Six of these athletes are funded by UK Sport as part of the World Class Performance Programme which leaves five self-funded athletes (Matthew French, Sarah Gray, Rachel Parish, Caroline Povey and Dave Sipling) who rely on the generosity of friends, family and sponsors. These five shooters all combine competing at the highest level with full-time careers, whilst juggling training, competitions and for three of the shooters; a young family That looks a very English team to me or have we forgotten that Great Britain has 4 countries in the Commonwealth Games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 That looks a very English team to me or have we forgotten that Great Britain has 4 countries in the Commonwealth Games? It is the English team. Scotland, Wales and N Ireland send their own teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 That was my point it focused on the English shooter who are or are not self funding, the Welsh Scottish and Irish shooters also contribute to team GB, and therefore also deserve support and a mention. It like the British Lions last rugby team we could have just said the Welsh and O'Driscal Lions but it's a Team GB all countries contribute and need support to have a successful Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 That was my point it focused on the English shooter who are or are not self funding, the Welsh Scottish and Irish shooters also contribute to team GB, and therefore also deserve support and a mention. I'm confused. There is no team GB for the Commonwealth Games. AFAIK Welsh and Scottish athletes are more likely to have financial support. This was explained to me, but I mentally filed it away as one of those political things so I don't remember exactly why. I think it was to do with different bodies having more discretion than the English sports bodies.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 welshwarrior - fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I'm confused. There is no team GB for the Commonwealth Games. AFAIK Welsh and Scottish athletes are more likely to have financial support. This was explained to me, but I mentally filed it away as one of those political things so I don't remember exactly why. I think it was to do with different bodies having more discretion than the English sports bodies.. Commonwealth games is a separate nations but in lots of others like the Olympics where we take on the world we compete as Team GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I guess it that definition of nationality I'm British if I must fit into one of these Carp political models I'm British - Welsh not Welsh - British. I don't subscribe to this I support 2 teams x and anyone playing England etc. Great Britain comes first then the separate Nations IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 The Scottish and Welsh and Irish have a funding arrangement for their own squads, they even having training camps abroad when its cold, this crowd funding is for the English shooters whom are not in the world class programme and are self funded. The funding issue is a pot that will boil for ever, When a GB team is put forward it is still not fully funded, it is individual shooters who British shooting have selected that get the funding, as an example the ISSF world cups, that the teams compete in. The entry fee and official practice is paid by British Shooting / BICTSF, the travel and hotel is stood by the shooter with a donation/payment from BICTSF of (this was when I was involved and from memory) £300 for European areas and £500 for rest of world, so the funded shooters have a pot to draw from, where the non funded dip into their own pockets, at the moment it's a world cup in Beijing, the two shooters in the mens OT have self funded to compete. Back to the commonwealth, the CPSA is the English body, they have given each shooter £500, this doesnt go far trying to train, pay travel, accomodation, ammo and food etc, hence the funding plea so we might just be able to help these non funded shooters give themselves the best chance of lifting a medal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 The funding depends on the team iirc apart from elena Allen (has represented a number of nations?) in women's skeet the rest of the gun Olympic team were English? While the funding is different the funded shooters still rely mostly on sponsors and good will I know one rifle shooter (welsh) who works in tesco to fund his training and competition so it's not a full time career in shooting for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I think if we had team GB for all spore we might do better as a nation instead of all separate countries trying to compete against countries with five and six times the populations we have. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) I had the honour of shooting with a lovely young lady last Thursday. Miss Katie Cowell who shoots OT for the Welsh Team, I do not know anything about sponsorship that she may or may not get, BUT she does manage to fit in her shooting, around her Photography business. Both her Coach (Dad) and Katie appear to have put a lot of effort and their own money into her shooting, as I have no doubt, have the other Team Members. I would wish them luck in the Commonwealth Games, but Luck does not enter into the equation, just sheer hard work and determination from each and every one of them, both Shooters and their respective Coaches. P.S. I forgot to say that I had a thorough lesson in how to shoot English (or Welsh) skeet, 25 straight from someone who is a Trap shooter and was using my Beretta 303, a gun that she had to be shown how to load, never having used an auto before. Edited July 5, 2014 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 I have heard that the team members have to pay for all the uniform as well. Blazers, shirts, trousers, skirts everything. Yes, I agree it's an honour to shoot for your country but to then have to fork out all this money before they get there is a bit much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted July 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I have heard that the team members have to pay for all the uniform as well. Blazers, shirts, trousers, skirts everything. Yes, I agree it's an honour to shoot for your country but to then have to fork out all this money before they get there is a bit much. Really, where have you heard this from if you don't mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Just hope the Scottish athletes didnt have to pay for theirs :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I certainly had to pay for my own uniform , the only thing provided was your badge, but it may be different for the Olympic Disiplines. from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Gunner Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I certainly had to pay for my own uniform , the only thing provided was your badge, but it may be different for the Olympic Disiplines. from Auntie. Depends on what UNIFORM you were wearing Auntie!!! I was lucky when selected to represent the Army Shooting Team as we were well supported but still had to self fund to a certain degree, however, some do have to arrange their own sponsorship to be able to afford to represent their County/Country but if the desire and natural ability is there someone will always help out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Like Tony says it definatly depends on what nice people you have around you, to assist towards sponsorship.I was very lucky the first time I shot for England in 2003 was only in Scotland for the Home Internationals so not too much expenditure. Just skeet vest ,cap, blazer, cravat,white shirt, grey skirt, black shoes. The entries were paid for by the CPSA. The second time, in 2011 was a different storey with it being a World event in New Zealand. The CPSA paid for the flight entry and hire car. Whilst Tony at Marne sponsored me for my new chokes in the gun, which was the equivalent cost of my hotel. As my uniform still fitted, i didn't have to fork out anything else.Most people are just so chuffed to win a place on the team, the cost takes second place to your pride in representing your country. from Auntie. Time for bed for you Northern Gunner, you have a very busy day tomorrow ahead of you. Edited July 12, 2014 by 100milesaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Gunner Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Like Tony says it definatly depends on what nice people you have around you, to assist towards sponsorship.I was very lucky the first time I shot for England in 2003 was only in Scotland for the Home Internationals so not too much expenditure. Just skeet vest ,cap, blazer, cravat,white shirt, grey skirt, black shoes. The entries were paid for by the CPSA. The second time, in 2011 was a different storey with it being a World event in New Zealand. The CPSA paid for the flight entry and hire car. Whilst Tony at Marne sponsored me for my new chokes in the gun, which was the equivalent cost of my hotel. As my uniform still fitted, i didn't have to fork out anything else.Most people are just so chuffed to win a place on the team, the cost takes second place to your pride in representing your country. from Auntie. Time for bed for you Northern Gunner, you have a very busy day tomorrow ahead of you. I have done all my work at Aske today Auntie so I'm going to watch Holland beat Brazil 2-0 then I might pop down to Aske tomorrow if I can drag myself out of bed!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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