cav123 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I know its prob been done but what chokes do you use with what size shot for ducks and geese or do you have a special wildfowl choke plus where to get then from in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I use a Briley extended light full , normally 3s for duck and 1s or BB for geese (Steel ) . The choke was imported as its almost impossible to find a aftermarket choke for a versamax here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Assuming the gun is made for steel For duck it depends if you're flighting tideline or on a splash. If splash I would usually only use 32 grm no 5 or even 6 will be fine. If tideline heavier load. I don't use a full choke on steel max I use is 3/4. As fenboy said full chokes for steel are rare and even then I would take professional guidance before using. Geese heaviest load your gun will take with number 3 or lower and as I said 3/4 choke Hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Assuming the gun is made for steel For duck it depends if you're flighting tideline or on a splash. If splash I would usually only use 32 grm no 5 or even 6 will be fine. If tideline heavier load. I don't use a full choke on steel max I use is 3/4. As fenboy said full chokes for steel are rare and even then I would take professional guidance before using. Geese heaviest load your gun will take with number 3 or lower and as I said 3/4 choke Hope that helps Its not the full choke thats rare it getting one to fit a versamax , plenty of shooters I know use full and even extra full with steel and have no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Its not the full choke thats rare it getting one to fit a versamax , plenty of shooters I know use full and even extra full with steel and have no issues. OK thanks fenboy. I was always under the impression that full chokes was usually a no no. I shoot with a browning and the full choke is marked up not for steel. I thought also is my son's beretta, but I'll check and get back to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Assuming you're using steel, it might just help to read the 'How to Pattern Test' thread on here particularly as it's odds on that you'll be using different shot sizes for different species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I must admit the Beretta chokes are not marked up not for Steel What has always made me believe not to use full choke is as per the article I have included below. These are not my words. No problem. With steel shot you would use one choke size LARGER. If you want a full choke type pattern ( 70 % in a 30 inch circle at 30 yards ) you use a modified choke. if you want a modified pattern use the improved cylinder. Don't use the full or extra full. This is because when using lead shot it deforms, and fits through the choke, steel shot does not deform, it remains rigid. The first indication of a problem will be a slight bulge in the barrel right behind the choke. Check that once in a while, if you ever have that problem, it is not drastic if caught early. I was one of the three guys who did the work to make steel shot loading data. The same that everyone including manufacturers still use to this day. When we began steel shot was ONLY used by reloaders. We even had to design our own plastic wads to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Fenboy have a look at the link below. Look at the para 'steel shot' May help clarify http://www.trulockchokes.com/faqs.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Through my xtreame2 I use 1/4 or 1/2 chokes 42 grams BB geese and 3s think 36 grams for duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Fenboy have a look at the link below. Look at the para 'steel shot' May help clarify http://www.trulockchokes.com/faqs.php I cannot access the link as I am at work and it blocks most things firearms related . My Versamax is rated as steel proof even for full choke , as I said I know plentry of shooters who use full or tightter without issue . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I cannot access the link as I am at work and it blocks most things firearms related . My Versamax is rated as steel proof even for full choke , as I said I know plentry of shooters who use full or tightter without issue . Hi fenboy. Maybe worth checking though when you get the chance. Better to be safe than sorry.ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I will be sure to have a look , but I have had enough steel through the gun now to be fully confident in putting it through the light full I use . I think too many people get their knickers in a twist over the use of steel shot and the chokes it can go through safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I have read somewhere that some manufacturers do make full chokes for steel but I believe they are not that common. In saying that materials are improving all the time and maybe technology has overtaken me. I learn something everyday, that is the beauty of these forums. However would still urge anyone not certain to seek professional guidance before using full choke on steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) You can over choke steel, so it will pattern outside its truly lethal energy range. IMO you need but two chokes one about half for flighting geese and shooting the tide and dawn flight for slightly more rangey duck with shot size 3 up to BBB depending on quarry and one about 1/4 for ducks over the decoys with shot size 3 to 5. Given the choice of but one choke I should shoot everything with 1/2. Its the best do all and you can also modify your loads to what you are doing, it isn't all about restriction at the muzzle end. I once doubted after market chokes and still find some marketing claims laughable but I do find that extending the length of the choke produces more even and regular patterns and porting although it makes the gun much louder does help muzzle clime. I have been using a Kicks modified for a couple of seasons now and although you need to keep checking it remains tight its been of real use and well worth the money. If you go off how it prints on paper though you will end up shooting 15-20 yards too far out Edited July 10, 2014 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Quater and half for me when using steel , there's plenty off shot in steel cartridges of 32 gram upwards to fill the patterns at a sensible distance. I have shot steel through full chokes but soon realised its not needed. Plus it makes the gun kick like a mule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 As per another post, I found that 1/2 did not give me a tight enough pattern for birds on the edge of range. For under 40 yards, a half isn't too bad. Over that, the patterns were far too gappy. I fired a lot of 4.5mm steel through my .705 Terror choke in the 10 last season. It hasn't harmed my gun at all, but the geese didn't like it much when my aim was straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neillfrbs Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Through my xtreame2 I use 1/4 or 1/2 chokes 42 grams BB geese and 3s think 36 grams for duck and still cant hit ****** all .lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) In my 3.5 inch Browning Gold I use 1\4 choke for flighting over decoys with 3 inch loads of no3 and a American Undertaker full choke .700 and no 2 for high flighting mallard and BB or BBB for geese. Edited July 10, 2014 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) I use a Kicks High Flyer Modified for all my Wildfowling as I think the patterns are good, with smaller shot 3's and 4's over flashes and bigger shot 1's and BB's at geese. Huntissimo based in France is the cheapest place for your Wildfowling chokes, you look on the website pick your choke/chokes ring him up and he talks you through how to pay and they are with you in a few days. Figgy Edited July 10, 2014 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I use my normal invector+ chokes in my SX2. 1/4 or 1/2 choke with different loads for the circumstances. I love shooting and being on the marsh but never got into science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I use a Kicks High Flyer Modified for all my Wildfowling as I think the patterns are good, with smaller shot 3's and 4's over flashes and bigger shot 1's and BB's at geese. Huntissimo based in France is the cheapest place for your Wildfowling chokes, you look on the website pick your choke/chokes ring him up and he talks you through how to pay and they are with you in a few days. Figgy They are far cheaper in the States and very widely available the companies are also very much easier to deal with IMO. What one needs is a plan on tax and carriage cost though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 That's the problem most us vendors would not post to UK when I tried. Still saved nearly £30.00 by using the French route. Taxes in this country are far to high. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IEH Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) I was going to buy a Kick's choke from Huntissimo a while back but they were shown as out of stock. Having revisited their website to see if they now have stock I can't find any chokes on there at all. Am I missing something? Edited July 12, 2014 by IEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I was going to buy a Kick's choke from Huntissimo a while back but they were shown as out of stock. Having revisited their website to see if they now have stock I can't find any chokes on there at all. Am I missing something?Yes IMO a decent website LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Just seen that Mandel are soon to bring out a 'Wildfowling Choke' it will be interesting to understand exactly what it will be size wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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