ajb403 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28460903 "A police spokesman said the cane gun, thought to have been made in the 1800s, was a prohibited weapon which could not be licensed" Talking nonsense surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Nope it's true! Can't disguise a gun as another object I think they can be owned under sect 58 as antique or curio only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 It's a shame that a nice antique will probably be destroyed as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) I do believe the original purpose was not ad hock game shooting while walking around ones estate. Rather a gentlemans defence against robbers. Pistols were for duelling not self defence! Edited July 24, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28460903 "A police spokesman said the cane gun, thought to have been made in the 1800s, was a prohibited weapon which could not be licensed" Talking nonsense surely? Peter Glenser presented some slides on this issue at the Shotgun & Chelsea Bun Club conference. He successfully argued in Court that one example was not a hidden weapon because it had an external trigger and walking sticks don't have triggers so it wasn't pretending to be a walking stick. The examples that weren't like and were effectively disguised didn't pass muster and were antiques only.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 You can get permission to hold them as collectors items I believe on a SGC but could be FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 My father in-law has one in mint condition which I believe is a 410. It is held on a SGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 As Welshwarrior says. They can definitely be kept legally so please don't allow it to be scrapped. They are often in gun auctions for sale. Look into it and find out what you need to do, to be able to keep it legally BASC may be worth ringing I'm sure they will point you in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 From the police firearms handbook ... 11.26 It should be noted that chief officers of police are not empowered (as they are with firearm certificates) to impose any conditions of their own on shotgun certificates. However, rule 5(5) of the 1998 Rules and section 5A(3) of the 1968 Act (as amended) provides that when a shotgun which is disguised as another object, is possessed, purchased or acquired by the holder of a shotgun certificate for the purpose only of its being kept or exhibited as part of a collection, the certificate shall be subject to an additional condition restricting the use of that shotgun to use for that purpose. The most common shotgun of this kind will be the walking-stick shotgun or the umbrella shotgun Pretty clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Someone i know has both an umbrella & cane gun-both fire 410 cartridges and both licensed too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 From the police firearms handbook ... 11.26 It should be noted that chief officers of police are not empowered (as they are with firearm certificates) to impose any conditions of their own on shotgun certificates. However, rule 5(5) of the 1998 Rules and section 5A(3) of the 1968 Act (as amended) provides that when a shotgun which is disguised as another object, is possessed, purchased or acquired by the holder of a shotgun certificate for the purpose only of its being kept or exhibited as part of a collection, the certificate shall be subject to an additional condition restricting the use of that shotgun to use for that purpose. The most common shotgun of this kind will be the walking-stick shotgun or the umbrella shotgun Pretty clear. Knew it was there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Knew it was there somewhere. 'Kept or exhibited as part of a collection' How would you get on if it was still available ammunition? Does that mean you could just exhibit it by hanging on the wall still, or does yet another piece of legality need to be complied with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 'Kept or exhibited as part of a collection' How would you get on if it was still available ammunition? Does that mean you could just exhibit it by hanging on the wall still, or does yet another piece of legality need to be complied with? I believe, as it is still a 'live' shotgun, that you'd have to ensure it was properly secured. I also imagine that firing it would be restricted to proper demonstrations of it - if it was allowed to be fired at all. Do remember that you can get historic pistols on FAC, even if they would usually come under S5 and attract 5 years of hoping you didn't need to pick up the soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Its all about the reason as a boy a friend's dad had one along with a walking stick sword in his umbrella stand by the front door. (no SGC) but then he was "waaaay") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/279626-walking-cane-410-question/?fromsearch=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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