malkiserow Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Is it clear or are there loads of claims on this.... like a Spartacus moment ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPhantom Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Phil Beasley of UKSW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 The first one that I saw had cams on the arms attached to cords that made the dead birds wings flap up and down . I saw a video of one and it seemed to work well . It had four dead birds on arms and looked a bit like a fair ground ride with the birds wizzing around . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 First one I saw was at a suffolk country show around 19 years ago, cant remember the company that had the stand but they had one with 2 arms working with crows on it and a tv playing a video. Must admit I had a laugh at it but reading later in a sporting magazine of a pigeon shooters report on the effect in had on pigeon attraction I made my own, much to the laughter of my club members. Shooting over hemp one day with another bemused club member my home made magnet proved its worth as it pulled birds in from a distance straight to it. Other club members that had drawn a blank stood at a distance and watch us have shot after shot , my magnet never got any more laughs from then on just orders from club members for me to make them magnets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 It depends how far back you're prepared to go because they drew inspiration form some very old contraptions used overseas that were designed to draw in small birds such as larks etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Jack Hargreaves surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Were they not copied from the contraptions used by US waterfolwers hunting snow geese, or is that vice verse or convergent evolution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I think it was a case of , "based on an idea", but Phil Beasley is credited with producing the first Magnet. Sillosocks are based on the "rags" used by US wildfowlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Cranfield, I was not referring to 'Texas rags' but the rotaries used by them for snow goose decoying. Did we get the idea from them, did they get the idea from us, or were they both independent inventions coming up with the same idea, i.e. convergent evolution? I think it was a case of , "based on an idea", but Phil Beasley is credited with producing the first Magnet. Sillosocks are based on the "rags" used by US wildfowlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Cranfield, I was not referring to 'Texas rags' but the rotaries used by them for snow goose decoying. Did we get the idea from them, did they get the idea from us, or were they both independent inventions coming up with the same idea, i.e. convergent evolution? I knew what you meant, I was just putting sillosocks into the equation. The early rotaries I saw in Louisiana US were not motor powered, they relied on the wind. I think the rotary developed as "convergent evolution" - or should that be "revolution" , but the air-pro decoys definitely came from US duck/dove decoys , flocking decoys seems to be definitely a UK thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 convergent revolution! The yanks have been into flocking wildfowl decoys for some time, particularly Canada deek's necks and tails. I knew what you meant, I was just putting sillosocks into the equation. The early rotaries I saw in Louisiana US were not motor powered, they relied on the wind. I think the rotary developed as "convergent evolution" - or should that be "revolution" , but the air-pro decoys definitely came from US duck/dove decoys , flocking decoys seems to be definitely a UK thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Phil Beasley of UKSW Back in the very early days of PW this subject was discussed. I found a clockwork pigeon rotary for sale on Ebygumbay which had been made well before Phil was born. That said The Beasleys have done well out of marketing a good idea. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 We had one made out of a windscreen motor. The uncle used it. Must be 30 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) We had one based on a bicycle freewheeling hub ,it had a cam so the birds would lift a drop and I was energised by a cord back to the hide. We would use it for laid crops so that the bird would lift and drop in the the laid area.It had a lawn mower engine pull start if I remember properly. Edited August 13, 2014 by pigeon controller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgeoff Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 well i dunno about the mechanical magnet but all that go shooting with my mate ron have nick named him the pigeon magnet because it does not matter where he goes in a field pigeon come at him, even with no hide decoys etc. the other week he was out picking up pigeon he had shot( bye the way he is one hell of a good shot) pigeon were coming in to him so i think save carrying all my gear in future i think i will take him along and stand near him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I found a clockwork pigeon rotary for sale on Ebygumbay which had been made well before Phil was born. How old is Phil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Phil Beasley of UKSW Thats what i thought mind you Phil did tell me himself that he was the inventor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 The Magnet as we know it was first made in Shropshire by a chap from The Clee Hill from an idea he got from Malta . John Ransford had one , Tony Orchard (Apple Sporting Products) I used to make them for Tony and John. Tony always reckoned that flappers worked best, in moderation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 My uncle made one in the 80s from a wiper motor, said he got the idea from a Italian that had payed for a days pigeon shooting In Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 That distinction goes to a chap call Arthur Burge who was groundsman at our cricket club 1946 to 1987... He used use a rotary water driven sprinkler to water the square and hide behind the side screen with his shotgun to shoot crows and rooks which used to burry into the wicket. One day in 1973 or 4 when I first started playing I saw him with two rooks tied to the 16ft diameter arms by their necks. The birds were streaming into this rotary and he was picking them off. I remember him saying at the time works well for Pigeons too.. He had been doing this since the 1950,s The first Magnet I saw advertised was by Pinewood from Northleach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Somebody who didnt have the wit to file a patent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldfeller Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 lookup "sillosox" on u tube and there is an early video of Phil and another man who also took a hand in the inventiom showing how the magnet worked , it was a 4 arm with slow and fast speeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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