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Which to buy HW100 S FSB/ BSA R10 Mk2 (Bull barrel)/ Daystate Huntsman


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I'm currently doing insane amount of overtime at work and have been for the past 4 months (mainly paying stuff off) and I'm now booked in for additional guaranteed overtime up to my September payday which will net me another £800 after tax.

 

I'm now in the market for a nice PCP air rifle. £800 is my top end for the RIFLE, ignore the cost of scope etc at this time. It needs to be a multi-shot rifle with option to swap it out for single shot for target work, Initially it will be for range and target work and eventually for vermin shooting too. I'm looking at a .177 too primarily due to the flatter trajectory. I like the styling of all 3 and I've had a chance to shoot with a Mk1 R10 so far. I'm also pushing towards the R10 because of the large shot count per fill.

 

So far I've priced up the rifles (rifle only)

 

BSA R10 Mk2 Bull Barrel: £699.99

HW 100S FSB: £749.99

Daystate Huntsman Regal: £808

 

I would appreciate thoughts and feedback from owners of any of the above please

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Never had a Daystate, but i had both the R10 and HW 100... stay clear of the R10 , do yourself a favour and get a HW100... the best hunting PCP on the market with the sleek and lighting fast lever action reloading system, 14 shot magazine, double load proof ,deadly accurate and single shot adaptors readly available.

The FSB version with the extra Weihrauch silencer is the most quiet PCP out there as well...

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Never had a Daystate, but i had both the R10 and HW 100... stay clear of the R10 , do yourself a favour and get a HW100... the best hunting PCP on the market with the sleek and lighting fast lever action reloading system, 14 shot magazine, double load proof ,deadly accurate and single shot adaptors readly available.

The FSB version with the extra Weihrauch silencer is the most quiet PCP out there as well...

I have to ask why avoid the R10 Mk2?

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Hw100 fsb all the way!!

I had a new r10 mk2 was great when it worked .... but had power problems , seals, knock of valves, mags, from day one but in all fairness they did fix it good but took 6 months to do it!!

I had sold my hw100 fsb to buy the r100 as I dont like side leavers !

Now I wish I had kept my hw100 fsb was a more reliable rifle it never went wrong in the time I had it !

All I can say is yes the r10 has a better shot count but how many rabbits or targets are you going to shoot in a few hours?

Get the hw 100 !

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sorry chaps but I can only agree with bullet boy,

 

the huntsman classic is a superb piece of kit, its light , very accurate and a truelly excellent rifle to handle, shot count is not bad either,

 

I owned a BSA r10mk2 and all I can say is it was a truelly excellent rifle,some people have had problems I know but the one I owned was totally faultless,

 

I have shot the hw100 but instantly took a dislike to it due to having the side lever and also it felt very heavy to handle and I could not imagine humping one round all day hunting,

 

imo get the huntsman classic or the regal whatever you prefer in .177 and you will fall in love with it, I sold my huntsman and my r10mk2 to buy a new wolverine b in .177 and if you can get ya hands on one of those then you will be very happy,

 

don't get me wrong but the hw is an excellent rifle and has stood the test of time but it was not for me, well built I must say but way too heavy

 

huntsman classic all day for me in .177 due to target work

 

atb Evo


My Huntsman
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totally stunning

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I've had the r10 mk2 and it was a amazingly accurate rifle nice to hold in the hand only reason I sold was I lost my permission so had no need for rifle at the time. Also shot the daystate and I was more than pleased with it I would struggle to decide again never held or shot a hw so can't give any opinion on that good luck in your choice.

John

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HW100 Very accurate,but quite heavy to carry around the Field, and I have known a few to have problems,(both mine and my friends).

 

BSA R10,Mk2 , Russian roulette with your money, you may get a good 'un , but then again???? (mine spent many days in a parcel van :/ ).

 

Huntsman Classic , I always wanted one, so I sold a few of my others and bought one. What a,cracking gun , but It Just did not

'FIT' me. That's the only way I can explain it. When I shouldered it, ergonomically it just was not for me! (A mate who bought it loves it)

 

I ended Up with an AA S410 carbine. It just feels like its a part of me, wonderfully light.,accurate, and with the HW Silencer very very quiet.

I'm not looking for anything else, and that's alone is a commendation enough. ( i'm not suggesting you should get one).

 

Try to handle as many as you can, its got to fit you ,its got to make you :yahoo: when you slip it out of its bag, and its got to be consistently,accurate.

If that's one of your 'short list' , brilliant :good: , it will save you a lot of money, looking for the "ideal" gun.

Good hunting, and please let us know what you end up with.

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At the moment I'm looking at it like this. Please feel free to correct me if i am wrong which i probably am

 

 

Hw100

 

Pros:

 

  • High capacity and simple design Magazine
  • Great build quality
  • Quick and easy fill port

 

Cons:

  • Not a fan of the side lever action
  • Safety can only be applied when the rifle is cocked
  • Heavier rifle
  • Only a 12 month warranty

 

 

BSA R10 Mk2

 

Pros:

 

  • Preferred bolt action
  • Higher shot capacity
  • Quick and easy fill port plus option of removing the bottle
  • Decent safety switch
  • Modest 2 year warranty

 

Cons:

  • Issues with over all reliability are documented
  • Magazine design isn't as reliable as a HW100 for example

 

 

Daystate Huntsman Regal

 

Pros:

 

  • Preferred bolt action
  • Very nice safety positioning and action
  • Nice magazine system
  • 3 year Warranty

 

Cons:

  • Lower shot capacity
  • Most Expensive of the 3
  • Have read a lot of quality control issues as of late
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HW PRO's also inc

side action is easy to use and less effort to cock,the only thing I don't like are bolt actions,when shooting prone it's a pain to pull back and my hand has slipped and smacked me in the face,

you can't double load,

you only need saftey when gun loaded anyway.

Above adverage shot count

you forgot with the HW you get 2 mags and a silencer,add £100 to the regal to match that.

CONS

HW is heavy and not pretty.

(I have sanded my HW stock and smothed out the angles,it looks a bit better)

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Have a Weihrauch HW 100 KT, am absolutely blown away.

Beautifully built, virtually silent and stunningly accurate. I do like Weihrauchs, having started with an HW35 and, latterly, a 97K with a Venom tune, but this is on a different level.

The springers were accurate and powerful, but the recoil generated by the moving piston and the effort needed to cock it adversely affected accuracy. Not that the cocking was intrinsically heavy, rather it meant changing hand position and re-acquiring the point of aim.

With the 100, it is possible to put all the pellets into a single hole at normal distances, I've chrono'd it and the variation is very low, shot to shot. Often the loudest sound is the pellet impact, this being especially notable when shooting the older gun alongside. I'm fortunate to live outside town, where locals are less fussy about gunshots, but for suburban gardens the low noise signature is important.

Would recommend trying all on the wish list before buying. Any decent shop will let you try them out first.

I bought mine from The Countrystore, Shustoke near Coleshill, where I found really excellent service and the opportunity to try the guns out on a little air rifle range behind the shop. (Usual disclaimers, I like Mark and Tessa and especially the young lad in there, Matthew, who's a tremendous character.)

Happy shooting!

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I've only shot the HW100KT but since owning one it's been faultless. I primarily got it so my boys can shoot it but its so heavy they only shoot off a bipod (they are still quite young). I only use it with them for target practice or around the farm buildings and would not want to go out walking with it because of the weight.

If I wanted it for hunting I would probably get a lighter gun.

Another reason I went for that was because its ambidextrous and my kids are opposites.

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HW PRO's also inc

side action is easy to use and less effort to cock,the only thing I don't like are bolt actions well that's you knackered for rimfire and hmr or anything else for that matter,when shooting prone it's a pain to pull back and my hand has slipped and smacked me in the face well get hold of the thing properly

you can't double load,

you only need saftey when gun loaded anyway.what a silly comment, you would never be out shooting with me as the safety is permanently on until I,m about to pull the trigger loaded or not

Above adverage shot count

you forgot with the HW you get 2 mags and a silencer,add £100 to the regal to match that.

CONS

HW is heavy and not pretty.

(I have sanded my HW stock and smothed out the angles,it looks a bit better)

can I just say I have pointed a few things out and replied in red,now to get back on topic,,

 

I don't know what gun retromic was trying to cock when he smashed himself in the face but it certainly was not a daystate, on all THREE of the daystates I have Owned and also the BSA r10mk2 and the AA s410 I have only had to hold the bolt between my finger and thumb, as for the daystates it was totally effortless and super smooth,

 

after using and owning three daystate rifles I wont spend my hard earned cash on anything else now, they are the dogs danglies when it comes to air rifles,,,IMO of coarse

 

good luck with you choice but if I had a £1000 in my pocket then it would be for a Daystate Airwolf .177 second hand

 

atb Evo

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can I just say I have pointed a few things out and replied in red,now to get back on topic,,

 

I don't know what gun retromic was trying to cock when he smashed himself in the face but it certainly was not a daystate, on all THREE of the daystates I have Owned and also the BSA r10mk2 and the AA s410 I have only had to hold the bolt between my finger and thumb, as for the daystates it was totally effortless and super smooth,

 

after using and owning three daystate rifles I wont spend my hard earned cash on anything else now, they are the dogs danglies when it comes to air rifles,,,IMO of coarse

 

good luck with you choice but if I had a £1000 in my pocket then it would be for a Daystate Airwolf .177 second hand

 

atb Evo

Ive read alot of issues with daystate bolts sticking or jamming of late due to QC issues, alot on a daystate owners forum too.

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You will be able to find well documented faults with pretty much any type of gun. If you flick through the history on the air gunning section, you will find a whole host of problems with the HW100 mostly about pressure loss on brand new guns, one or two terrible experiences with Daystate - and their occasionally ropey customer service - as well as the usual anti-R10 brigade. Even the old favourite the S410 suffers from an occasionally fragile magazine indexing, as well as all the other vexations that go with a PCP like leaking seals.

 

Personally, I wouldn't have any other gun except my R10. It's been tuned, admittedly, but it's a great gun and suits me perfectly. I've written a complete run down on the whole thing on airriflereviews.co.uk ( http://www.airriflereviews.co.uk/airgun-reviews/bsa-r10-mk-ll ) which you might want to have a read of, but it's a great gun and well worth it - especially if you're thinking of going down the second hand market.

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Evo, sorry but you have made some dumb *** comments,

I don't remember commenting I want to shoot MHR Rrifles,so why say that?

I didn't make the HW100 unable to have a safety on when unloaded? If they made it like that and they sell thousands I guess it's safe to have it in that format.

The rifle with the rubbish bolt was a BSA UltraSE,

AND thank **** I don't get the chance to shoot with you, you're clearly an idiot

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