Rst1990 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I was driving to my perm 5am Sunday morning to bag a few rabbits. As I was driving down the lane I noticed a police car waiting in a side road, I drove past they pulled out put the blues on I pulled over and they parked behind me. I waited for him to come over to me which he did and he asked me to step out of the car which I did. I asked what I had done and he said there have been burglarys around the area and seeings it was an odd time for people to be out and about they thought they would check me out etc, which is fine. He asked if I had anything on me or in the car that shouldn't be there, I replied no He searched me and his colleague looked at the car. I had .22lr bullets in my pocket which he asked "what's this" to which I replied bullets to my rifle which is in the boot of the car. He was not very happy with this and asked to see some paperwork of me being able to hold such etc, thing is I didn't have it on me it was in my cabinet at home and my photo copied licence I accidentally put in the washer the night before, he was telling me that this is an arrest able offence me not carrying my licence with me and he should take my rifle bullets etc and I should collect from station with licence once I had gone and got it!!! I didn't want this to happen so pleaded that I was very sorry etc his colleague had already radio my details across from my driving licence and everything come back ok and me being a sgc/fac holder etc, he let me go and I kept hold of my property his last words to me of the matter was to keep my paperwork in order and if he pulls me over again and I don't have my original docs I would lose my rifle etc and have to collect from station!!! My question..... Does the police have the right to do this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yes. If you're in possession of anything you require your FAC for, and don't have your original with you, they are perfectly entitled to seize the item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 In a word yes. you don't have to carry your license but they can take your gun until you can prove you have a license for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxtav Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yes they do. Sec 48 of the act provides that a constable may demand production of a certificate from any person they believe to be in possession is sec 1 firearms or ammunition or a shotgun. If a person fails to produce a cert or refuses to allow a constable to read it the constable may seize any weapons and ammunition and demand the person gives their name and address. If you refuse to give your name and address you may be arrested without a warrant. Though in force most cops do t know this or are happy with a check of the computer now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 All firearms and shot gun licences are on the PNC police computer .what grounds did he search you on? and did he give you a record of the search because he should have done . Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 They can sieze the guns untill you produce your FAC/SGC but considering it is all on the database they can just radio up and if you have ID it should not pose a problem. I very much doubt it is an arrestable offence though. Did you get any paperwork for the search or take the officers number? You can make a complain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxtav Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yes they are on pnc but playing devils advocate how do the police know the Joe bloggs in front of them is the Joe bloggs who holds the certificate without seeing the picture. We have to remember the act was written before computers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 they know who you where and that you had fac with in 30 seconds they got this info up befor the pull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 they know who you where and that you had fac with in 30 seconds they got this info up befor the pull They shouldn't have. speaking to someone that worked in the control room who said that they where only to give info that was requested and that the police needed a good reason for requesting info. so if they were stopping a car they could ask for the owners name address and if it is insured, mot'd etc not if the owner has a FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 All firearms and shot gun licences are on the PNC police computer .what grounds did he search you on? and did he give you a record of the search because he should have done . Deershooter He didn't say what grounds he is gonna search me on, only said about burglarys around the area and wanted to search me and the car probably for stolen goods or tools to break into somewhere.I didn't receive any paperwork from them. The other policeman was already on the radio asking all details about me with the guns etc and all came back good but the other fella didn't wanna play ball really until I said sorry for not carrying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 They shouldn't have. speaking to someone that worked in the control room who said that they where only to give info that was requested and that the police needed a good reason for requesting info. so if they were stopping a car they could ask for the owners name address and if it is insured, mot'd etc not if the owner has a FAC I would say it is good reason to be informed that a vehicle may contain firearms. Give the officers a heads up, They may wait for a more suitable place to stop you, and not be taken by surprise, and in worse case if your driving erratically, running from them etc it is vital info. However I don't think that they can tell your fac details from Your reg, only your address. How do they know your driving etc. don't know 100% but I'm sure i was told they don't link it to registration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I was given the choice by my feo, carry my licence or keep it at home. As I'm not bound to carry it. But it could ruin Your day as others do there job if you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 i got pulled at 3 am after taken a mate home in my work van by under cover police car the officer said hello robert my last name said i see your insured with aviva and that you are a SGC holder and that i only had my mot done 3 days ago and this was all befor i even hello to him he then said sorry to spoil your night but where you been my reply was down the pub he said only have to stop you as someone been nicking central heating fuel around here was a nice guy the officer as my mate never had the seat belt on and he cold have keep us there longer to look on the van and breath test me as i said we was in the pub be he said to my mate you might need that seal belt on and then said on your way and enjoy your kebabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Think the officer was bigging himself up,i shoot in some sensitive areas, and twice have had the armed anti-terrorism unit out,once in the middle of a field they checked the computer and all was ok,the second time in the dark in a gate entrance, while one chatted to me the other checked the vehicle and me out,told his mate exactly what i held,we then had a chat about my dedicated nv and their hand held stuff,i let them have a play and all good,an hour later the officer called my mobile and provided a phone number to use so they know i am out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 The bottom line is, if you go out with your guns, make sure you take your licence. Better yet, buy a nice new PW wallet to keep it in, too. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/228325-leather-shotgun-firearm-certificate-wallets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 The bottom line is, if you go out with your guns, make sure you take your licence. Better yet, buy a nice new PW wallet to keep it in, too. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/228325-leather-shotgun-firearm-certificate-wallets/ The bottom line is you do not need to take your licence with you,the officer would have looked a **** taking the weapons away after his partner had confirmed the op was legally entitled to hold them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I was driving to my perm 5am Sunday morning to bag a few rabbits. As I was driving down the lane I noticed a police car waiting in a side road, I drove past they pulled out put the blues on I pulled over and they parked behind me. I waited for him to come over to me which he did and he asked me to step out of the car which I did. I asked what I had done and he said there have been burglarys around the area and seeings it was an odd time for people to be out and about they thought they would check me out etc, which is fine. He asked if I had anything on me or in the car that shouldn't be there, I replied no He searched me and his colleague looked at the car. I had .22lr bullets in my pocket which he asked "what's this" to which I replied bullets to my rifle which is in the boot of the car. He was not very happy with this and asked to see some paperwork of me being able to hold such etc, thing is I didn't have it on me it was in my cabinet at home and my photo copied licence I accidentally put in the washer the night before, he was telling me that this is an arrest able offence me not carrying my licence with me and he should take my rifle bullets etc and I should collect from station with licence once I had gone and got it!!! I didn't want this to happen so pleaded that I was very sorry etc his colleague had already radio my details across from my driving licence and everything come back ok and me being a sgc/fac holder etc, he let me go and I kept hold of my property his last words to me of the matter was to keep my paperwork in order and if he pulls me over again and I don't have my original docs I would lose my rifle etc and have to collect from station!!! My question..... Does the police have the right to do this?? There have been loads of people on here being vocal about only carrying a copy of sgc/fac.... I carry the originals as then there is no argument.... You must have all your stuff too hand, as it is very easy to be put on the back foot with you stammering like a moped with a bad spark plug... This is in the news.........http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flondonist.com%2F2014%2F08%2Fnew-code-of-conduct-for-police-stop-and-search.php&ei=dt_8U_uhIqOw7AaSg4CICg&usg=AFQjCNG1KXGdwk1ceyKmiou4excRigsT_w&sig2=3AiY6_6mfsdJlz_aWWaSpA TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 My FEO specifically told me you don't need to take your license - the police can radio it in and check. Saying that, it is probably a good idea to take it. If you think it may get wet or damaged, put it in a waterproof container like a zip lock bag or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 The bottom line is you do not need to take your licence with you,the officer would have looked a **** taking the weapons away after his partner had confirmed the op was legally entitled to hold them. You sir are right but they have the power to take your guns away without it , like it or not that is the law the very thought of my gun being chucked in the back of a squad car means i carry mine every time i go out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 You sir are right but they have the power to take your guns away without it , like it or not that is the law the very thought of my gun being chucked in the back of a squad car means i carry mine every time i go out It is strange but all the people on here who have been stopped none seem to have their rifles removed and all seem to be checked by a simple call,as i said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 It is strange but all the people on here who have been stopped none seem to have their rifles removed and all seem to be checked by a simple call,as i said. Been stopped a few times (hazard of being out and about at stupid o'clock) even had the local neighborhood annoyance machine (helicopter) not once repeat once was I asked to show my ticket, my reg and name was more than enough for them , they even had my mobile number. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Mule Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Never had a tug, but had the helicopter paying several visits. All the range from directly overhead to sitting a click off, just hovering - until I moved out of sight, so they had to move to see me some more. I get the whys and wherefores, but it makes for a pants night hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 My certs live in the glovebox of my car. Can't ever forget them that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 been stopped for shooting at airplanes by the police 2 years ago,some concerned citizen seen a cammo wearing terrorist trying to bring planes down with his assault rifle,<my hatstand escort pigeon shooting>>.cops were calling for me by name as theyd pnc checked the car already.left the hide fask mask off gun unloaded .cops phone goes concerned pillock screeming ave u got im on loudspeaker ,police trys to calm eejit down whilst 2nd copper and me in stiches laughing our heads off.sgc viewed happy campers .cops ave a look at said assault rifle n agree said concerned citizen watching too many films whilst reading the daily mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzJo Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I'm just thinking about this, who would be responsible if anything happened to your rifle if you did have it taken from you, for example. The officers fancy a Krispy Kreme or a coffee, pull up outside a shop, service station, garage, whatever, and they come back to the vehicle and it's gone ( gotta be a gutsy thief but it has happened in the past I presume ) or another one is they get to the station and the officer drops it and dents the barrel or breaks it as it lands on the floor, you turn up later on with your license and take a look and it's KO'd or not even there, what would happen then?? Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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