Brân Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Hi everyone. As a new member posting for the first time im after some advice. I have an eight year old uncastrated lab who ive been training as a gun dog for the last year or so, and was quite amazed how naturally he took to it. He's retreving and carrying well and has no problem in holding the retreve untill told to give, hes also responding well to different whistle comands, and loves coming out with me training. He's used to being out with my brother in law's young female lab and doesn't show any interest in her. But when i took him out with four or five other working dogs last night, he instantly took a liking to one of the spanniels, who's owner thought she might be coming into season. As you can imagine it was as if he'd instanly forgotten all he's been taught, and spent the whole night trying to get to her, and so was kept on a lead. Is there anything i can do to help with this behaviour eg going back to basics with heel and stay comands, or am i fighting a losing battle against natural instinct? My local vet also mentioned once that you can chemically castrate male dogs with an injection which lasts for around six months. Is this worth looking into? It sounded a bit extreme at the time. Thanks for any advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Far easier to not take out an in season bitch (training with others or working) The latter I view a sin if there are likely to be male dogs about, unfortunately being oversexed comes with the territory with Labs Why do you think they have become the worlds most popular dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Hmmm, running about picking up some dead birds or getting a bit of the other? What would you chose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I could have my full dog off the lead around dogs in season and control him but to say he was distracted was an understatement and of no use whatsoever. Take my eye off him and was trying to get some action. Result I had his undercarriage removed, all the better for it but not suitable for all dogs. Friend of mines cocker has never been in tact and is like a rat up a drain pipe at every opportunity. Not fair to have a dog in season in mixed company. Makes for a long day I would imagine especially if your dog has to be kept on the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Hmmm, running about picking up some dead birds or getting a bit of the other? What would you chose? The former and regular make that choice from the first Sept ! but then again I have been married a long while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffydog Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I have an uncastrated GSP who has the same problem when given the scent of a bitch in heat. He's got such a good nose that he's ended up sniffing around the local farm after a collie in heat. Either learn to live with the odd absencr or two, or have his pockets picked by the vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Anyone that takes out a bitch in heat wants more of a kick in the backside than your dog does for wanting to nail it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Anyone that takes out a bitch in heat wants more of a kick in the backside than your dog does for wanting to nail it. Agree. Totally irresponsible and unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Most dog related activities, anyone bring a bitch in heat to them would be sent home with said bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Well said the last 3 post's. Height of ignorance really Also from the way i read ur post that was the first time u have took ur dog to group training? If that is the case the extra excitement smellls and noise etc will always cause ur dog to go back a step or 2,once it get's more used to it it will calm down and act more like normal. Amazing how often u see a dog that is reeasonably well trained on its own but tends to go 'mad' the first few shoots as not used to working with other dogs in a shoot environment, just too much excitment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 If your dog does not understand the command leve it then take his balls off, we have no more rights out with a amorous dog than any other shooter with a bitch coming into season than a bitch in full season, we shooters with dogs expect a little much don't you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I would only consider going with surgery if there was a diagnosed medical problem. /Markus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 If your dog does not understand the command leve it then take his balls off, we have no more rights out with a amorous dog than any other shooter with a bitch coming into season than a bitch in full season, we shooters with dogs expect a little much don't you think. I'm sorry but I have to disagree. How would you feel if you had a brand new Ferrari on the drive running, taxed and insured in your name with a tank full of fuel but your wife said no...... ... Would you be able to resist the urge?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Well she could always have him neutered if he didn't resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Well she could always have him neutered if he didn't resist. LOL love it, a girl after my own heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I'm sorry but I have to disagree. How would you feel if you had a brand new Ferrari on the drive running, taxed and insured in your name with a tank full of fuel but your wife said no...... ... Would you be able to resist the urge?!?! I'm not going to disagree with you as I've had a lab that would hunt down a bitch in season from miles away, his fate at two years was to have his balls off, he was put down last year at 14 years and was a good gundog, my current young dog will not entertain a bitch in season as he knows whats coming if he fails to adhere to the command leve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Two blue bricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I'm not going to disagree with you as I've had a lab that would hunt down a bitch in season from miles away, his fate at two years was to have his balls off, he was put down last year at 14 years and was a good gundog, my current young dog will not entertain a bitch in season as he knows whats coming if he fails to adhere to the command leve it. don't be crazy the dog cannot possibly understand such a threat / consequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I'm not going to disagree with you as I've had a lab that would hunt down a bitch in season from miles away, his fate at two years was to have his balls off, he was put down last year at 14 years and was a good gundog, my current young dog will not entertain a bitch in season as he knows whats coming if he fails to adhere to the command leve it. Rubbish, obviously hasn't matured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Not sure if matured plays a part. I have seen castrated old dogs trying to hump male full dogs. In the interest of responsibility and unwanted pups it would really be better to keep the bitch at home. Cheaper than homing and vets bills for pups and the persistent shouts of leave it spoiling the shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Lots of people come on these threads giving advise all things related to gundog training yet they can't control there on dogs funny that maybe Bazooka was right all along maybe if you have no control you should consider keeping your dogs at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Not sure if matured plays a part. I have seen castrated old dogs trying to hump male full dogs. In the interest of responsibility and unwanted pups it would really be better to keep the bitch at home. Cheaper than homing and vets bills for pups and the persistent shouts of leave it spoiling the shoot. But that is a show of dominance, humping other males. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Lots of people come on these threads giving advise all things related to gundog training yet they can't control there on dogs funny that maybe Bazooka was right all along maybe if you have no control you should consider keeping your dogs at home. It's not about control it's a hormonal response, unless of course your dog is so scared of a consequence from you. That is why people usually have the manners to leave bitches in season at home if working with other dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 What might happen if some foolish person decided to turn up on a trail with an in season bitch? Also who the heck wants to keep correcting a dog as even if it works and he don't try his luck his thoughts will be away somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 What might happen if some foolish person decided to turn up on a trail with an in season bitch? Also who the heck wants to keep correcting a dog as even if it works and he don't try his luck his thoughts will be away somewhere else. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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