maskedhunter Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Is there ever a reveiw, is there ever petitions within the airgun/ shooting communitys.. (since i know the opposing will stop at no lengths to try other ways to even stop us shooting with the current 12lbs without a liscense..now going after led pellets i see) Do the gun community ever try get there gun right back in the UK or .. ?So just wondered about that?Regards,Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 What is the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedhunter Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 is there ever reviews of the law/ petitions to get it higher or removed etc..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Quick answer is yes on the epetions site. I don't think they get masses of support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedhunter Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Ah fair enough, thanks Regards,Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I wouldn't want it raised. 12ft/lb is plenty of power for pest control. Ignoring whether they should be licensed at 12ft/lb, I would not be in favour of guns at 20, 30ft/lb etc. not needing a license. Without licensing, any old idiot can have an air rifle - and there are plenty of idiots out there! I'd rather they didn't have anything more than 12ft/lb to be idiotic with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorvale55 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 +1 with CJPainter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 don't think having a licence for anything excludes people from being idiots lethal weapon motor vehicle or rimmy. Same idiot. It would be nice to have a little more range on air rifles and up the power without licence but its not going to happen. No money in it for the govt., why change regs etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedhunter Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 don't think having a licence for anything excludes people from being idiots lethal weapon motor vehicle or rimmy. Same idiot. It would be nice to have a little more range on air rifles and up the power without licence but its not going to happen. No money in it for the govt., why change regs etc etc. I wouldn't want it raised. 12ft/lb is plenty of power for pest control. Ignoring whether they should be licensed at 12ft/lb, I would not be in favour of guns at 20, 30ft/lb etc. not needing a license. Without licensing, any old idiot can have an air rifle - and there are plenty of idiots out there! I'd rather they didn't have anything more than 12ft/lb to be idiotic with. I agree with both of you, I must ask cant any old idiot get a FAC?.. I just feel that as onatangent said, it'd be a little nicer to have a little more power, i just see the american's 30ft lbs air guns and more and they seem quite abit better but i could possibly be so wrong!. Regards, Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Any one can go fac, jump through the hoops, paperwork, gun safe, note from the Dr to say your not nuttier than a snickers and you are set lol. I wouldn't want alot more power and tbh I wouldn't know how much until I field tested and saw max range before excessive drop off. At the minute with a 25yrd zero I'm happy to hold over for 40-45yrds zo maybe I'm being greedy. Adapt and overcome I suggest or go FAC. Its not for me, sub 12 is versatile and less hassle and cheaper to run. Purchase cost you can easily spend more on air rifle than a budget fac any bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedhunter Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 i like air rifles, i do want to get my FAC though, what exactly do you need to do, i havent tried to apply because i was told by word of mouth i need to be a member of a gun range for 6 months? or somthing along them lines, and obviously the DR thing etc!Regards,Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 also the energy in a sub 12 is plenty to kill general licence quarry to a reasonable distance and beyond what would be deemed a normal air rifle shot. Eg, 65 yard x6 mag is 4mil dot holdover. Things look small at that range and hold. Ok go to x9 but then you have no mil dot holdover range to use. Have a look at chairgunPro if you get bored. Its free and shows pellet drop off, aim points, energy levels at certain distances etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 i like air rifles, i do want to get my FAC though, what exactly do you need to do, i havent tried to apply because i was told by word of mouth i need to be a member of a gun range for 6 months? or somthing along them lines, and obviously the DR thing etc! Regards, Matt. lots of factors to consider, where and why is the common question for wanting fac, what type of fac etc. I'm not best placed to answer fully. I looked to apply, did the paperwork and then thought why. I enjoy ft and verminating even though I was marksman standard in the forces with fac weapons. I enjoy the engineering more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 i like air rifles, i do want to get my FAC though, what exactly do you need to do, i havent tried to apply because i was told by word of mouth i need to be a member of a gun range for 6 months? or somthing along them lines, and obviously the DR thing etc! Regards, Matt. Power isn't everything, accuracy is far more important. If you want more range and have the need for it then you can apply for an fac but don't bother with air power, get a .22 lr. You do need somewhere to shoot though, you can't get one because you want more power for plinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Uli Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I would like something a little more powerful because I like long distance shots but do agree that it should not be possible for any idiot to have a high powered air rifle. Licensing isn't a popular option but I personally don't have a problem with it. I enjoy my sport and a bit of pest control but reading about idiots shooting at cat etc. makes me wonder if licensing may not be a step in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 We might still end up the way of Scotland and have to register sub12's. Might be a cut down version of fac and not so stringent. If that happens I will go the whole hog. Watch this space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 i like air rifles, i do want to get my FAC though, what exactly do you need to do, i havent tried to apply because i was told by word of mouth i need to be a member of a gun range for 6 months? or somthing along them lines, and obviously the DR thing etc! Regards, Matt. As Kent says, it's about where you intend to use it. Land has to be cleared for FAC use, and it can be cleared for one type - say, rimfire/FAC-Air - but not for another - like centrefire rifles - with degrees in between. I believe you also need written permission from the landowner to confirm that you do indeed have permission to shoot there. I imagine clubs have varying rules about when they are prepared to vouch for your eligibility for FAC, so i'd check with them. You have to demonstrate need or club use. having one because you like the idea of it doesn't wash! You also have to have a written statement from your doctor to say you're not crazy, of if you are crazy, the non dangerous kind. And you can't have any criminal convictions that would bar you from owning a firearm. The hassle and hoop-jumping of it all usually sorts out the people who just like guns but have no reason to own one from the people who have a genuine need/reason for it. On the subject of licensing, I'd happily pay for a license if that genuinely helped get guns away from the idiots, especially if that gave me unlimited power, but can also see scope for something like a junior license that was kept to 12ft/lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I like the ideas you had about junior licences. Be interesting to see how it pans out and at what cost. Increase cost resulting in less sales and or improved safety,accountability etc. I have no need for fac and love the thought of sniper ranges. Not in this country I fear. Quite satisfying though placing an accurate low powered shot ranging it and going for your holdover. Easier to shoot to your means and zero but hey, cant stalk everything I have learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedhunter Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Ta, yeah no i would like to get into alot of different areas, experiences, its more of a distant thought then somthing i intend to do any time soon, im still learning air rifle atm, when i feel i know as much as i need to know i may act on looking to get the fac! Regards,Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I have often thought 15 ft lb is actually no greater danger to the public and has just that tad of advantage in the field to make it easier to use and more humane without going the whole hog, fact is the limit was set at 12 because nothing on the open market at that time could produce more (indeed a full 12 was uncommon). Remember 12 ft lb can and has killed, indeed so have air pistols at less than 6 ft lb Now that said, who are we talking about? If you have land or a worthwhile permission then provided you meet a few security conditions then there should be an issue getting a FAC. If you do I suggest most just buy a .22 LR because no matter how good air rifles get they cannot compete in a practical sense as FAC airguns are a niche tool were fall out ranges need reducing or backstops are not as great as they should ideally be. Good reason (permission) , safe (required by default for 12 ft lb), reasonable past (armed blaggers need not apply), a doctor that has no concerns about you, no serious risks being posed by other family members and its hard to turn an applicant down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Why try and fix some thing that is not broken ,12 foot pounds has been ok for all responsible airgun use for the last 50 years Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 There have been plenty of petitions asking for various gun laws to be ammended, but I very much doubt if any of them will ever be accepted. On the 12 fpe side of things, I enjoy my airguns, and hunting small prey such as rabbits out to 50 yards is quite possible, so personally I don't think the 12 fpe power level needs to be increased. As others have said, it doesn't matter what the legislation is at any particular point of time .... most of the gun-related crimes are carried out by unlicensed firearms owners, so changing the existing laws is really quite pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I agree with Deershooter. If you "need" more power and have suitable permission go FAC. I don't think licensing will be rolled out, managing the millions of unregistered airguns would cost a ridiculous amount and the very people who the license was trying to control wouldn't bother applying for one anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Why try and fix some thing that is not broken ,12 foot pounds has been ok for all responsible airgun use for the last 50 years Deershooter Amen Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Something else to consider. If you go up to .22 rimfire, you're not going to be able to shoot at squirrels, pigeons etc in trees. No problem with 12ft/lb air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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