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Choke, at its simplest is nothing more than the hole at the end of your gun where the shot comes out. The subject of which is the best make of choke has been debated to death on this and every other shooting forum but I'll say what I always say on this subject: a different make of choke from those supplied by the manufacturer of your gun will put not a single additional kill on your card nor a single extra bird in the bag.

If you think you want or need any additional chokes my advice would be to buy the most expensive on the market! Well they must be better mustn't they if there twice the price of the cheapest ones....

 

Mr Potter

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I have realized the only after market extended choke worth having is a dedicated wildfowl one for specific distance.

 

I have used Teagues,Mullers different ones from Browning Brierly included among others and while the Mullers give very good patterns and look good did not give me any more clays. Did put a smile on my face when dusted them.

 

The gun I shoot now has expensive Titanium extended chokes as standard that pattern very well and I would not change them for any others.

 

There good for protecting you muzzles from knocks and wear to the finish.

 

I have a 28 bore Yildiz supplied with its own make of Mobil chokes,though the chokes look rough round the edges they kill clays and game very well,yet must have cost pennies.

 

Cartridge choice can play a big part in how tight a gun or choke patterns.

 

Figgy

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As a generalisation, only the tighter chokes in a set will show any difference, open chokes from any manufacturer, and whether flush or extended, will show very similar patterns.

At the wildfowling / turkey / super full end of the range, longer tubes will deform less pellets, and wad stripping systems etc will help give a cleaner pattern edge. Buying 3/4 and full with wad tripper porting could give you a small edge, but the difference is still small, and attention to such things as antinomy hardness, wad type, and powder type in the chosen loads will have a bigger influence on your kill / hit ratio's than playing with tube types.

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I bought stainless extended Teagues for my 101's as I often found the original 'Winchokes' which came with the gun had been neglected, and being carbon steel were prone to rust. They fit all my Winchesters and I swap them around as needed. Whether they improve patterns I have no idea.

I still have a Briley REMX2 LMOD ported extended choke I got given with a Remington SP11, which never failed to impress me with the patterns it threw. It is no longer used as I no longer have the gun.

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Most people don't actually have a clue what difference their chokes make, as they have never patterned their guns.

testing by BASC's ballistics committee ( there's a report available if you ask for it) on several guns showed that pattern throws from one gun to another, all with tubes denoted the same, were massively different.

 

Choking of a gun is a function of the tube in combination with the load used. Just because it has 3 notches does not mean it throws a 1/2 on the plate.

 

Its one of the most illuminating things you can do - get out with a few different loads, and run through your chokes - see what they REALLY do on a pattern plate.

 

Its a very informative exercise.

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As above I have done this in the past a lot and it is surprising. The big one for me was next to no difference in plaswad to fibrewad in the same make.

 

Some tighter chokes blew a hole in the pattern and had some very uneven patterns.

 

Found 1/4 to 3/4 best

 

Figgy

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Extended compared to flush from the same manufacturer are not going to give any noticeable difference.

 

However different choke manufacturers sometimes have different takes on constriction, so you have to compare actual diameters rather than going off ½ or ¼ etc if you are going to change makes.

 

To be fair to Muller they do call their chokes U2, U3 etc. not ¼ or ½.

 

Briley are manufactured to a standard constriction so 1/2 (modified) is 0.020" of the bore regardless of how it patterns, where as Browning for the Invector plus, go on pattern percentage in a circle at a set distance.

 

So for Browning Invector plus 1/2 would be x amount of pellets in a circle at a set distance and call that 1/2 regardless of the bore size and constriction, which is great if you use the same cartridge as they did, maybe not so great if you don’t.

 

What does this mean, well in the case of my Browning invector + chokes my aftermarket Brileys were physically tighter than standard Browning ones, ¼ was nearly a ½ and ½ was nearly ¾.

My Muller U2 for my Beretta was akin to a Beretta 3/8 & not a magical ¼ as some would have you believe.

 

I don’t know how the 725 chokes compare to the Browning invector plus range but bear it in mind if you are going to swap makes and go off actual constriction measurements rather than what is marked on it unless you want to be shooting the next size choke up.

 

 

As Mr Potter says there is nothing magical about a choke only clever marketing the rave reveiws sometimes come from shooters shooting a 1/2 or 3/8 but thinking its a 1/4 .

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Choke, at its simplest is nothing more than the hole at the end of your gun where the shot comes out. The subject of which is the best make of choke has been debated to death on this and every other shooting forum but I'll say what I always say on this subject: a different make of choke from those supplied by the manufacturer of your gun will put not a single additional kill on your card nor a single extra bird in the bag.

If you think you want or need any additional chokes my advice would be to buy the most expensive on the market! Well they must be better mustn't they if there twice the price of the cheapest ones....

 

Mr Potter

what utter nonsense and I've done the pattern testing to prove it
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What's people opinion on these?

I been shooting around 3 months

I own a browning b725 as my first gun

Looking at external chokes

Do I go browning or muller?

Have a search, waste of your money get a lesson or 2 instead that will make you shoot better extended chokes won't!

What's people opinion on these?

I been shooting around 3 months

I own a browning b725 as my first gun

Looking at external chokes

Do I go browning or muller?

Have a search, waste of your money get a lesson or 2 instead that will make you shoot better extended chokes won't!

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