loriusgarrulus Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Missing the point, its about selecting a bitch when the dog is only 8mnths. What are the chances faults will be ignored in favour of cold hard cash? I get the point. Could you put restrictions on subject to the dog and bitch having the relevant screening and then rescind the restriction if they pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Couldn't the KC stomp on this by not registering pups that's parents haven't had the relevant screening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Or people could just be responsible and stop breeding dogs for sentamental reasons when the proper checks have not been done and they don't have homes for the puppy's. I've just got a puppy and have been waiting quite a while for the right breeder. All of the puppy's were spoken for before they were born and parents hip, elbow, vwd amd eye tested. I've seen puppy's of the same breed advertised before they were conceived, when they were born and still being advertised when they were 14-16 weeks old for £750 without health checks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinjohnson34 Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 For those seem to feel ok with having a go at me for choosing a bitch when my dog is only 8 months old I think you have the wrong end of the stick, I don't even know if I want to breed with them I have my first vizsla and have never had a dog like him awesome doesn't come close to discribing him, I have always had two dogs but lost my 14 year old boy a few weeks ago and so am looking for another, I would only consider having a litter in a couple of years if both animals were healthy and I thought that there puppies would be a credit to there breed so that someone else could get the same enjoyment from this wonderful breed as I am, if I don't end up having a litter with them then they will still be cherished as much as they are now until the end of their days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinjohnson34 Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Also if you read the earlier posts I have no issue with the restriction as long as there is the opportunity to lift it later after health checks my gripe is with not be able to select my own puppy from those available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 If I understand you correctly and the 8 month dog is your first vizsla could you not stick with him alone for now? 8 months is very young for a viz in training in my opinion and experience, not having a pop mate just what I would do, either way you should be able to pick your pup!! I found in the past that some viz breeders as with other breeders can be right stuck up ****, after some time and searching I found the right breeders for me! Good luck anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 that's why breeders are putting restrictions on them too many people breeding dogs that arnt up to the breed standard .they usually lift the restrictions if they have been hip scored .I have a litter due and they will be sold with restrictions onThis is one of the problems "breed standards" if the dog and bitch are an inch too small for the standard you would not allow them to breed even though they may be brilliant workers.It is because of breed standards that so many pedigree dogs are in the state they are in.I have two Labrador bitches that are good working gundogs but they are not fat enough to win a dog show.Working breeds should be bred for working ability not how pretty they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 This is one of the problems "breed standards" if the dog and bitch are an inch too small for the standard you would not allow them to breed even though they may be brilliant workers.It is because of breed standards that so many pedigree dogs are in the state they are in.I have two Labrador bitches that are good working gundogs but they are not fat enough to win a dog show.Working breeds should be bred for working ability not how pretty they are I think its mostly to do with health problems like hip displasia and night blindness etc than if a dog is slim or not quite tall enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Just enjoy the one you have, eight months is no age to judge a dog especially one expected to work. Its not even physically or mentally mature. What you have is a puppy of totally "unknown" potential in all regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker boy Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 If you have got a dog if 8 months concentrate your time on training and working that one. If you are already after a bitch you only have breeding on your mind. Even if the dogs never make anything of themselves they will be bred from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinjohnson34 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 cocker boy thanks for telling me what's on my mind and what Will end up doing regardless and while your at it could you tell me the lottery numbers for this week, how dare you presume to tell me what I am going to do you don't even know me because if you did you would know that the heath and well-being of all the animals I own comes before anything else and as I have said repeatedly I have no problems with the restrictions on breeding as foremost my dogs would be pets/companions/workers my issue is not being able to choose the puppy I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 kevin, My WHV is from Madilor in sussex. http://www.madilor.co.uk/# I know it isn't exactly 'close' location wise but isn't too bad. They are down near Gatwick. Lori was great. We didn't have any restrictions that I can remember, though we had no intentions of breeding anyway. The bitch was Pointin if I remember correctly and the father was from Zolmadi (imported frozen semen), though I don't have the papers in front of me to confirm all of that. Madilor is involved in the breed club and various WHV activities so drop her a line and see what is going on. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Dog gone it. Now you have me looking at wirehaired puppies and I want one... Must... Resist... thanks, rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinjohnson34 Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Loki is the first HWV i have had but they are addictive such a super breed with lots of energy and fun to be with wouldn't be without one now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I have a dog of 8 months and am now looking for a bitch puppy to go with him, here's the problem there are not many litters around and when they do crop up there always seems to be endorsements on their pedigree to stop you breeding them, the second problem I'm having is the last 2 litters I've been to see both breeders have said that I can reserve a puppy with a deposit but they will not let you choose which puppy you want and that they will allocate puppies to what they perceive is the right people once they get to 8 weeks old and that is putting me off, these puppy's are not cheap £800-£1000 is this a common thing within the gundog group or just this breed. I know exactly what you mean - I had the same experience, which to be honest has put me off. I agree with vetting with the objective of assuring the dog is going to a good, sensible and responsible owner, but when it becomes overly intrusive and verging on the patronising I think a quick course in people skills may be needed combined with Being allocated a pup is, for me, ridiculous and shows little understanding of someone who genuinely wants a dog to do what is was born to do - work to the gun. I love this breed but for me I have found the high number of breeders of the 'showy' type rather than genuine working dogs slightly off putting. A pity and ultimately potentially bad for the breed, but i suppose those that are into showing would disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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