steve_b_wales Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 If a person has the above certificate, and can only use a particular caliber rifle on 'land that has been approved' etc, could he use that caliber on other land, in company with someone who has an 'open' certificate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Only if the land has been approved by the police for that calibre Edited October 29, 2014 by robbiep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 No simple as that you have got the land passed your self it does not mater about the other person with open ticket you have to ask land owner for permission and get it in writing then send to police for them to put on your licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 The caliber is 22-250. He would be going with someone who would be using a .243 on an 'open' ticket. Could he not go on the judgement of his colleague who would deem if the ground is suitable? Only if the land has been approved by the police for that calibre No simple as that you have got the land passed your self it does not mater about the other person with open ticket you have to ask land owner for permission and get it in writing then send to police for them to put on your licence. He has permission off the land owner to use whatever caliber he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) The caliber is 22-250. He would be going with someone who would be using a .243 on an 'open' ticket. Could he not go on the judgement of his colleague who would deem if the ground is suitable? He has permission off the land owner to use whatever caliber he wants. No, the Police make that judgement, until his FAC has that condition removed. (its worth checking with the police to see if it has been surveyed in the past). It matters not what the landowner has said, the land must have been surveyed and passed for said calibee or below, so if the land is passed for .243, your chum, with permission can shoot on the land with anything below that. Nothing is 'put' on your licence which the poster has stated above, you have primary land, which is needed for the grant of the FAC, there is no list of land on the FAC that you can shoot over. Edited October 29, 2014 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 A closed (new-type) FAC states : ...shall be used for vermin control and zeroing on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder of this certificate has permission to shoot with this class of firearm from the person by whom the shooting rights are owned, leased or otherwise obtained. ... Unless the shooting buddy is the chief officer of police, then he cannot shoot his rifle on there unless the land has been cleared. Full stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 So if my rifle is cleared for my land and I go to another farm which is cleared for my calibre im ok to shoot it as long as I inform the police first is that correct or do I need to do Another authority to shoot letter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 So if my rifle is cleared for my land and I go to another farm which is cleared for my calibre im ok to shoot it as long as I inform the police first is that correct or do I need to do Another authority to shoot letter Help yourself, if it's cleared for your calibre and you have permission, written or not, shoot on. You don't need to inform the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spready Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I was told , if you have permission to shoot the land and it has been clear by the police for the calibre your using, you fine to shoot there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy69 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 So if my rifle is cleared for my land and I go to another farm which is cleared for my calibre im ok to shoot it as long as I inform the police first is that correct or do I need to do Another authority to shoot letter Not quite as long as you know the land is passed for that calibre you can shoot on it if you have permission, you do mot have to notify the police and do not need an authority to shoot letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I think some people are missreading the title you can use your rifle on any land that has been passed for your calliber your mate who has got an open ticket he deems the land to be safe to shoot his rifle on he dosent need land to have been passed by the police but he cant deem the land safe for you to shoot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 No though you could fire his .243 win in his presence under certain circumstances. The cert tells the user clearly were he might use his gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 No simple as that you have got the land passed your self it does not mater about the other person with open ticket you have to ask land owner for permission and get it in writing then send to police for them to put on your licence. I've never had any land put on my licence,from first grant or on any re-newals, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I've never had any land put on my licence,from first grant or on any re-newals, Not seen this (specific spots written down) for many years, checked is checked and territorial restrictions ended years back in my experience. No permission has to be written but it must be on their system as passed for that calibre, always check because the land here was once passed for .243 win but someone later put it on the system as .223 rem (most likely in error). Don't bother me but it might effect a guest of mine one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 No simple as that you have got the land passed your self it does not mater about the other person with open ticket you have to ask land owner for permission and get it in writing then send to police for them to put on your licence. you don't need it writing and it don't have to be put on your license you just need land owners permission colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Does land automatically get passed for multiple calibers? If is passed for a larger caliber, can it be assumed it is ok for .22? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 were i work we are cleared up to .243 so smaller calibres are fine colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 were i work we are cleared up to .243 so smaller calibres are fine colin Is that always the case where smaller calibers are automatically passed though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 can't say for sure but when i wanted my .222 i phoned feo and said what i wanted to put in for when i said where i will be using it he just said it's cleared to .243 so a .222 is ok his words. sure someone will give definitive answer soon colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 can't say for sure but when i wanted my .222 i phoned feo and said what i wanted to put in for when i said where i will be using it he just said it's cleared to .243 so a .222 is ok his words. sure someone will give definitive answer soon colin I checked to see if a certain piece of land was passed for a 22-250, and was told that it had been passed for 243, so no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 also before my fac was opened i phoned to ask about a golf course and was told it was only cleared for .17 hmr so could not use my .22 lr on it colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 also before my fac was opened i phoned to ask about a golf course and was told it was only cleared for .17 hmr so could not use my .22 lr on it colin Odd as the muzzle velocity, range, and energy of an HMR are substantially higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spready Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Sorry to hijack this thread, so when you come to renew your FAC and you have /or hoping to get an open ticket, do you need land , like when you first apply for you FAC ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Sorry to hijack this thread, so when you come to renew your FAC and you have /or hoping to get an open ticket, do you need land , like when you first apply for you FAC ? you need a permission letter/slip or something to prove you still have need of license same as when you 1st apply colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Odd as the muzzle velocity, range, and energy of an HMR are substantially higher. They use the fact that the .17hmr is a smaller calibre as when land is cleared it is usually cleared upto a certian calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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