parrots2 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 only reading about visits from FA police in our area on Friday and 8.30 Saturday night knock knock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Comments David BASC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 only reading about visits from FA police in our area on Friday and 8.30 Saturday night knock knock What happened?You had an unannounced visit? Did you let them in? Did they say why they were there? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/363016/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_v10_-_Oct_2014.pdf See page 169 chapter 19.11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Watching this with interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Indian takeaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) happened a couple of days ago to guy near me (cleveland force) plod turned up showed him a letter from the chief constable and revoked his licence on the spot not sure of the reason but guy is 65 had his ticket for years he is devastated, they also told him that they had another 38 knocks to do? something is going on up here perhaps thanks to a knee jerk over Durhams failures. KW Edited November 16, 2014 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 happened a couple of days ago to guy near me (cleveland force) plod turned up showed him a letter form the chief constable and revoked his licence on the spot not sure of the reason but guy is 65 had his ticket for years he is devastated, they also told him that they had another 38 knocks to do? something is going on up here perhaps thanks to a knee jerk over Durhams failures. KW That's a revocation which is a different kettle of fish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 That's a revocation which is a different kettle of fish... still a knock on the door is it not? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrots2 Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 2 at the door let them in , the handed me a letter and a couple of books checked all guns serial numbers and gauges against there copy and against my licence checked my cabinet very thoroughly [i mean tried to pull it from the wall ] looked at size of bolts used ,then left was here around 40 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I heard the same thing KW apparently what i heard is the letter from the chief constable stated he did not think him a fit and proper person to hold guns... When he queried it with the 2 plods they told him they could do it under the new police laws.. I was also told he had not even used his guns for over 2 years.... Apparently he had not put on his application some thing that happened over 40 years ago he has had his tickets for over 15 years.. I would have thought anything in his background would have come to light on first application... I also heard like you that they has another 38 ticket holders to see... 2 at the door let them in , the handed me a letter and a couple of books checked all guns serial numbers and gauges against there copy and against my licence checked my cabinet very thoroughly [i mean tried to pull it from the wall ] looked at size of bolts used ,then left was here around 40 mins What were the books.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 still a knock on the door is it not? KW if they are doing as you say almost forty knocks to remove certificates then there is more to it.also this would not be the security checks that everyone has got in such a flap over.revokes only happen for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 If it was a "security check" how could they hand him the revocation before checking? Please put all the details of the paperwork online and if a BASC/ca/cpsa etc member get copies off to them ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 2 at the door let them in , the handed me a letter and a couple of books checked all guns serial numbers and gauges against there copy and against my licence checked my cabinet very thoroughly [i mean tried to pull it from the wall ] looked at size of bolts used ,then left was here around 40 mins Out of interest when is your renewal due? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrots2 Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) book were a couple of pamphlets on leaving items in view in cars and home the reason for visit was there had been a lot of theft of firearms in the county from vehicles and homes the letter from Andy Marsh says in last 5 years 3296 firearms and shotguns stolen or lost Edited November 16, 2014 by parrots2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 book were a couple of pamphlets on leaving items in view in cars and home the reason for visit was there had been a lot of theft of firearms in the county from vehicles and homes the letter says in last 5 years 3296 firearms and shotguns stolen or lost Hmmm Who was the letter from, chief constable ? The stats are disputed iirc (which force area are you in?) please do inform your shooting organisation of the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrots2 Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 the letter is from Andy Marsh chair chief constable my renewal is 2017 im in Humberside area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 This letter? http://www.countryside-alliance.org/ca/file/ACPO_Joint_letter_5_November_2014.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrots2 Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 if they are doing as you say almost forty knocks to remove certificates then there is more to it.also this would not be the security checks that everyone has got in such a flap over.revokes only happen for a reason. The reason for the knocks will become clear no doubt, as time goes by. In view of the post from Parrots 2 we'll have to wait and see; his was an unannounced security check from what I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Firstly, there are no new laws, only new guidance. The police are supposed to give a clear statement as to the reason for the visit, They have no new powers of entry If you could get a copy of the letter to me I would appreciate it Regards David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 The reason for the knocks will become clear no doubt, as time goes by. In view of the post from Parrots 2 we'll have to wait and see; his was an unannounced security check from what I've read. it would be a good thing in my view if when anyone posts a thread on here about certificates being revoked that the full facts are posted about the case as the op of this one makes it appear that a totally innocent person has had his cert pulled for no good reason.i doubt this will be the case.also if they were doing another 38 of these calls for the same reason I also doubt it would be done on a casual basis like we will do them as we get around to it.revokes are swift.as for the other visit it seems as this is nothing more than what has always been allowed under home office firearms rules.the two are totally different.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 This looks very much like many shooting organisations have been caught on the 'back foot' - let us hope they all pursue this if it can be confirmed as the 'new initiative'. Perhaps those who doubt the real intention behind this 'camouflage initiative' will be more prepared next time - because there will be a next time. Having worked with ACPO I have always been well aware they are a law unto themselves and rather like principles in a college of faithful followers, it is hard to imagine the image they portray within police forces. God -like would not be an understatement and clearly others feel the same and dont protect their position. Has anyone noticed whether Peter Fahy (Chief Con of Manchester) has begun to implement his personal view that "the public should not be allowed to possess guns". This very recently and despite the problems he has with child abuse in GM. Maybe someone should ask him if this is a reasonable personal view for an impartial Chief Con to hold, given the law of the land. I can tell you he will try and justify any and all of his actions, he has no gift of hindsight if it affects his view of his future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Hmmm Who was the letter from, chief constable ? The stats are disputed iirc (which force area are you in?) please do inform your shooting organisation of the details. Andy Marsh as below is a Chief Con in the south - see below. If you get a letter from Him in any other area than his own - Hampshire, its the ACPO firearms 'Initiative'. THE Daily Echo can today reveal the full explosive details of an investigation into Hampshire’s top police officer. The chief constable of Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary, Andy Marsh, is facing a police probe from a separate force into claims he ordered a whitewash over the failure of police investigations into shocking sex abuse allegations at a Hampshire special school. He is also accused of breaching confidentiality and contempt of court in connection with the same inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Just reading this and I'm just wondering what the issue is? Do Shotgun and Firearm cert holders resent unannounced checks or am I missing something, I'm genuinely interested as there's a couple of threads around this subject and I don't understand them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Seems like Sir Peter Fahy has a similar issues- quote from the BBC:- "Sir Peter Fahy was served with both a criminal and gross misconduct notice by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC). It has been claimed the force let a teenager enter the home of a suspected paedophile who was under surveillance. The inquiry claims officers did not stop the boy from walking into his apartment, which they were watching." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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