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Been shooting theses fields for the past 8 years near standlake and Kingston bagpuize and now its all changed hands and the farmers are xxxxx me and dad set up a promising amount of birds on rape. up pulls a Jeep pack your stuff up. no shooting on here anymore for anyone so packed up cycled home. Thanks a bunch u toffe nosed xxxx

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Been shooting theses fields for the past 8 years near standlake and Kingston bagpuize and now its all changed hands and the farmers are xxxxx me and dad set up a promising amount of birds on rape. up pulls a Jeep pack your stuff up. no shooting on here anymore for anyone so packed up cycled home. Thanks a bunch u toffe nosed xxxx

hope something comes up for u guys

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Maybe you should have introduced yourself to the new farmer before you started shooting, you might still be there now!

+1. If land changes hands, then your permission doesn't automatically continue. You seem to feel you have 'the right' to shoot this land.

It is a permission, and it can be revoked at any time.

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How did you not know about the change of ownership/tenancy on the land ? I never shoot any of my permissions without first contacting the farmer via phone or text and receiving confirmation that it's Ok for me to shoot that day.

A quick word with the original owner/tenant occasionally beforehand and you would probably have been told of the change coming.

 

Did you never speak to the chap whose land you've been shooting all this time ?

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Never needed to phone him they were good like that we could go when ever and wherever we wanted they went bust and we didn't no until the new landowner came up to us

Count yourself lucky.

They could just as easily have called the police instead of approaching you, and you'd currently be on bail for armed trespass, probably with your guns in the police armoury for the next 6 months.

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I doubt it.

Really ?

All the landowner (or their agent) saw was someone with firearms, on their property without permission.

As a landowner myself, unless I was carrying one of my own firearms with me at the time, I'd be thinking very carefully as to approaching or calling the police out.

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Been shooting theses fields for the past 8 years near standlake and Kingston bagpuize and now its all changed hands and the farmers are xxxxx me and dad set up a promising amount of birds on rape. up pulls a Jeep pack your stuff up. no shooting on here anymore for anyone so packed up cycled home. Thanks a bunch u toffe nosed xxxx

You need to improve your communication skills with your farmers in order to retain your shooting.

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Really ?

All the landowner (or their agent) saw was someone with firearms, on their property without permission.

As a landowner myself, unless I was carrying one of my own firearms with me at the time, I'd be thinking very carefully as to approaching or calling the police out.

So you would only approach a shooter possibly without permission if you were armed ? Are we in America ?

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Count yourself lucky.

They could just as easily have called the police instead of approaching you, and you'd currently be on bail for armed trespass, probably with your guns in the police armoury for the next 6 months.

Ridiculously over the top comment....as a country person you couldn't tell the difference between two chaps out decoying and an armed terrorist or something?

Do you advise the police on how to react in situations like that by any chance, same sort of uninformed reaction they're known for.

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So you would only approach a shooter possibly without permission if you were armed ? Are we in America ?

How could someone shooting be 'possibly' without permission ? It's my land. I own it. Either they've got permission, or they haven't. I know the 2 people who've got permission to shoot it. Anyone else on there with firearms, it's armed trespass.

 

I've had ... travelling people ... shall we say, on my land shooting in the past. They got quite aggressive about it when asked to leave. Fortunately a neighbour was out on their fields, and they called the police (very rural, on a windless day you can talk to someone or hear someone talking a few hundred yards away). The people had no SGCs, criminal convictions going back to the year dot, were prohibited persons, etc. In addition, the shotguns they had were stolen, and one of their dogs they had 'found' (it was chipped, so the proper owner got it back)

So yes, if it happened in the future, and I was out there, I would observe, and I would most likely only approach if I was armed. If not, I'd call the police, and let the ARU deal with it.

 

It's not being gung-ho. It's being sensible.

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There would be a good legal argument that the permission holders had not been informed by the previous owner that the farm had changed hands and that the permission had been revoked. The solicitors should have advised both parties of there duty to consider any shooting permissions in place and take action. Therefore one would argue that they had not trespassed as they were unaware the land had changed hands. The new owners could have been a little more delicate in their revocation...that's if they actually were the new owners! did you check? might of been chaps after the permission!

 

I would send a polite letter to the new owner informing them of the verbal instruction, and ask to clarify in writing, and offer the service should they require it in the future. If they are planting crops they will change their minds that's for sure, so be ready to fill the post! And always get your permission in writing as without it you cannot defend your position.

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Really ?

All the landowner (or their agent) saw was someone with firearms, on their property without permission.

As a landowner myself, unless I was carrying one of my own firearms with me at the time, I'd be thinking very carefully as to approaching or calling the police out.

that's it get the armed response unit, and the " copter " out. We don't want people sitting in hedgerows shooting pigeons. You never know what they might be doing !!!!!! :)
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There would be a good legal argument that the permission holders had not been informed by the previous owner that the farm had changed hands and that the permission had been revoked. The solicitors should have advised both parties of there duty to consider any shooting permissions in place and take action. Therefore one would argue that they had not trespassed as they were unaware the land had changed hands. The new owners could have been a little more delicate in their revocation...that's if they actually were the new owners! did you check? might of been chaps after the permission!

 

I would send a polite letter to the new owner informing them of the verbal instruction, and ask to clarify in writing, and offer the service should they require it in the future. If they are planting crops they will change their minds that's for sure, so be ready to fill the post! And always get your permission in writing as without it you cannot defend your position.

The OP could try that and hope that the new owner hasn't read the abuse in the first post?

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