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All, I'm in the market for an cheap auto for use pigeon shooting. Had a Beretta many years ago which never let me down and new A300 outlanders seem to be priced about £800, which is good but an Armsan comes in at half that. I guess the old adage goes "you get what you pay for" - has anyone got/had an Armsan that they could either recommended or not?

Never had any qualms about buying S/H O/U but I'm a bit wary of buying second hand auto - can anyone give any recommendations or advice on things to look at if buying secondhand autos?

 

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I have the a612s, with the red action,absolutely love and it nice and tight no floppy rattley carrier like the Hatsan.I picked it up for £350 and it had never been fired I think they retail at about £550.For the price I thought I'd have a stab and needed a cheap pigeon gun to get me by while I saved up for a Maxus. Blew away by the quality and performance and even though I went with intension to collect the Maxus last week I came away with the money in pocket.The Armsan a612a is spot on for me so the Maxus money will go towards a holiday.

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I bought an Outlander a few weeks ago. It happily copes with 70mm 32gram cartridges down to 24 grams, and i've run a box of 30 gram 67mm cartridges through it, too. No misfeeds, misfires, or failures to eject in several hundred shots. It does have a habit of working loose the trigger group retaining pin, due to a missing tiny 'D' spring. That spring will arrive tomorrow. I don't suppose the pin would ever actually drop out, but it needs fixing. The gun comes with a three year warranty, extendable to 10 years from GMK for an extra £50. I'm very happy with the gun, its stock adjustment works very nicely and is a solid method that instils confidence with an angled shim between action and stock with a spacer around the stock bolt; so it's located firmly in two places. The gun's internal finish is reminiscent of my Urika. It shoots well, and cycles very rapidly.

 

My neighbour boaught an Armsan 20 bore auto just before Christmas. That came with a three year warranty, too. It's currently back with the RFD, having exhibited a failure to chamber a fresh cartridge on fairly frequent occasions. Last Tuesday he had 5 failures in 50 shots. The problem appears to be a sharp lip on the barrel tang where the extractor tooth on the bolt impacts the steel, this has created a sharp chisel edged protrusion that catches and digs into the plastic of the cartridge preventing it from being chambered. The stock adjustent is by shim alone, which to my mind isn't as secure. The gun appears good value, it handles, points, and shoots well.

 

In my opinion the Outlander is a much better quality item.

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I bought a weatherby sa-08 second hand two years ago and its been faultless, I've put at least 5000 carts through it and its never jammed.... use it for occasional clays and pigeon /crow shooting no matter what the weather's like..... Best of all it was in "as new" condition when I got it with a case and chokes..... All for the grand sum of..... Wait for it ...... £200. Best 200 pound I've spent on a gun and if you don't believe me check out YouTube..

 

Cheers tedly

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Update on my Outlander

 

Bl***y foresight bead dropped off today. Normally I would just carry on, but the clever matte -smooth-satin finish of the barrel and rib mean they're invisible. As it's fairly new to me I couldn't get a decent sight picture so I came home. It's still a nice gun but after all this hassle (see other posts) I have to say that my "New Beretta Outlander Buying Experience" has been pants...

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Beretta 301-303.

Absolutely bullet proof, cracking build quality. And best of all cheapish although prices to seem to be climbing.

 

Got a field model my lass uses and a sporter that I use for pigeons. Both have digested thousands upon thousands of carts and have had absolutely no bother other than cleaning em.

 

Just make sure you get a Mobil choke barrel and your set whether it be clays, pigeons etc!

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  • 1 year later...

Just been trhrough this with my young lad, he has got right into pigeon shooting hes only 12 and he got going last year with a 20 bore hatsan i got when the kids started, there is only me uses that now.

He wanted a 12 nothing i had spare suited him, so i started looking, he was dead fussy knew exactly what he wanted. We looked at a new Hatsan Beretta A300 and a whole flock of used stuff remington 1100s 1187s some nice Beretta 303s which i realy pushed him hard to buy, but he was just cold about any of them.

Nothing new inspired him he wanted a in his words classy gun something thats going to last.

The eldest has a franchi 3 inch magnum the old type in mint condition i think this gun was was the type of thing he was wanting, and when we looked at a tidy used franchi 912 i thought he was going to go for it but no he decided against that too, his quote it feels cheap . :unhappy:

Several saturdays latter and a great many miles finaly we get to the gun he has to have, a near mint Browning Hump back auto 5 A late one vent rib invector choke magnum, a big heavy gun but he is happy and he is hitting well with it. It was 425 quid and i will say its a proper well put together gun, i cant see him ever parting with it, he looks after it like its made of gold.

A nice used gun like the one my lad picked up, can offer a good option rather than the new stuff out there, and this old Browning is the japanese steel proof model too so allthough he hates wildfowling at the moment he has a gun he can do anything with, and cheaper than a bargain basement new gun. .

 

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