fenboy Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Dear All, All BASC affiliated clubs and syndicates benefit from guest insurance at no extra cost. What this means is that if the club want to invite a guest to shoot with them, then provided this is an official guest, as sanctioned by the club committee, and that guests name is entered into a log with the club confirming the date(s) they guest shoots with the club, then that guest is covered under the BASC insurance when they are shooting with the club / syndicate. The specific wording in the policy is 'official and occasional guests' there is no specific limit to how many times a guest can come along in any one season, but of course its not there to allow 'free' BASC membership to someone who is a regular shooter with the club, but of course its flexible enough for a guest to have say 2-3 outings per season David Thank you David So by a " guest " is that is someone any existing club member invites ? or someone the club officially invites ? and what of those who apply for a day ticket without a invite from a member or club ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Hi, it has to be an officially sanctioned guest by the club committee. As to day tickets, those who want to take advantage of opportunities through the BASC Wildfowling Permit Scheme have to be BASC members. As for club day tickets, what are your clubs rules about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 All the clubs I know of insist on any persons shooting the marsh being a BASC member , does not matter if its for a season or a day , which is why I would like to see BASC offer a day and or a weekly cover , at the moment it is expensive for anyone wishing to have a trial run or two at wildfowling before deciding if to make a commitment to join a club , those people may already be members of another body which offer liability insurance so to them ( in their eyes )there is little benefit in taking out a full years BASC subscription. As I said this currently means anyone who wants to try wildfowling with any of the BASC affiliated clubs but who is not a BASC member is going to have to find in the region of £80 for a few hours shooting This does not help attract new members into the sport which in turn does not give new members to BASC , so I think you are missing a trick there . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I think you are missing the point I am trying to make anser2. Lets put it like this , my imaginary friend , lets call him Fred , says to me "fenboy , I would love to have a day fowling " so me having known Fred for a while says to him of course Fred , I will take you out but its going to cost you £70 to join BASC , £7.50 for a day ticket and perhaps £5 for a WHT stamp. I dare say old Fred thinks after realising its going to cost him over £80 for a few hours on the marsh "actually I think I may give it a miss " . Now if when Fred wanted to go out I could have got him a day pass from BASC for lets say £5 a cost of under £20 would be a whole lot more attractive to someone just wanting to try the sport. I am not suggesting that people can just get a ticket and go of shooting anything that flys , but currently even if they are escorted by a knowledgeable club member if they are not already in BASC it costs them a fortune . For everyone that can try it at the cheaper price the club can perhaps gain a new member and BASC a new full member too , surely like that everyone wins ? This too is the exact scenario I'm referring to these must be guided trips with club members, not a come all who want to try and shoot a duck for a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I know of the system of having a guest of the club, but even as a committee member myself would not go to all the in's and out's of getting a one day pass put before the committee. As fenboy and myself have mentioned you are missing a trick here. Lets hope this could maybe looked at by BASC and everyone benefit lets drag the sport forward and make it more approachable. thanks for your time, and input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 You are missing my point - If someone wants to try wildfowling with a BASC wildfowling club, then they can under the guest cover provided their visit is sanctioned by the club committee, they do not have to join BASC. We would expect the club in such a case to ensure safety protocols are followed. I cant imagine club wanting someone who is a total unknown to go shooting on their land without the consent of the committee and escorted by someone who knows the ropes. Its not just a matter of insurance, its matter of safety on the marsh - points of safe access and egress, tides, on shore wind, finding your way in the dark, quarry ID and so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 David I think we have already mentioned this is not wanted as a free for all but for existing club members to take somebody out for the day. So by a club issuing a ticket that has to be paid for by somebody who is going to be taken out by a existing club and BASC member is that person a guest of the club ? and thus covered ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 You are missing my point - If someone wants to try wildfowling with a BASC wildfowling club, then they can under the guest cover provided their visit is sanctioned by the club committee, they do not have to join BASC. We would expect the club in such a case to ensure safety protocols are followed. I cant imagine club wanting someone who is a total unknown to go shooting on their land without the consent of the committee and escorted by someone who knows the ropes. Its not just a matter of insurance, its matter of safety on the marsh - points of safe access and egress, tides, on shore wind, finding your way in the dark, quarry ID and so on Hello David Could it be as simple as the person at the club who receives the request for a day ticket to email the committee members and ask if they have any objections to Joe bloggs being taken by Mr Wildfowler (who is a member of the said club) on the clubs marsh and if they agree then problem solved? The guest will be insured by BASC. As long as Joe Bloggs only has a limited amount of flights during the season. Regards Hcc sorry to the OP for going off subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Harry, yes it could be as simple as that, provided that the record of the committees acceptance is kept, to confirm who was a guest on any given day. This is so that in the event of a claim we can prove that person was an official guest of the club on the day in question. This is exactly my point because it helps clubs give potential members a taste of whats on offer before that member joins the club, and thus BASC at no cost. However, if the club are selling tickets to anyone, for that person to shoot on their land that has the potential to be a different matter, which is why I was asking for guidance on the clubs rules for day ticket passes. I am very happy to work with clubs, together with Mark from the wildfowling team to look on a club by club basis what the club wants to deliver to prospective members or to others who may not want to become a member of the club but may want to shoot on a day ticket basis and sort out the insurance options David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Harry, yes it could be as simple as that, provided that the record of the committees acceptance is kept, to confirm who was a guest on any given day. This is so that in the event of a claim we can prove that person was an official guest of the club on the day in question. This is exactly my point because it helps clubs give potential members a taste of whats on offer before that member joins the club, and thus BASC at no cost. However, if the club are selling tickets to anyone, for that person to shoot on their land that has the potential to be a different matter, which is why I was asking for guidance on the clubs rules for day ticket passes. I am very happy to work with clubs, together with Mark from the wildfowling team to look on a club by club basis what the club wants to deliver to prospective members or to others who may not want to become a member of the club but may want to shoot on a day ticket basis and sort out the insurance options David Thanks David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Harry, yes it could be as simple as that, provided that the record of the committees acceptance is kept, to confirm who was a guest on any given day. This is so that in the event of a claim we can prove that person was an official guest of the club on the day in question. This is exactly my point because it helps clubs give potential members a taste of whats on offer before that member joins the club, and thus BASC at no cost. However, if the club are selling tickets to anyone, for that person to shoot on their land that has the potential to be a different matter, which is why I was asking for guidance on the clubs rules for day ticket passes. I am very happy to work with clubs, together with Mark from the wildfowling team to look on a club by club basis what the club wants to deliver to prospective members or to others who may not want to become a member of the club but may want to shoot on a day ticket basis and sort out the insurance options David this has been a grey area for some time and has reared its head at club level more than once spalding/holbeach have joint tickets people can pay for the day to shoot the marsh they are not guests of the club so are not covered by the basc no cost cover we did at one time allow any third party cover but now we insist on BASC only so as posted above it can make a one off flight very costly for the people with other cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 i think with modern life these days its pretty hard to judge someone for not attending workparties, AGM etc... over the past few years i`ve been shooting with a friend, and we both have ended up doing mandatory silly hours at work. i just slowed down on everything except work... he stopped shooting and in the end he was advised to sell his rifles by plod, he didnt even have the chance in a year to use them. he was working nights. and or he was in a different country....(truck) i`d be pretty annoyed paying a subscription for a sport i love then, be critisised for not attending AGM or maybe even shooting for a season. it happens. i know guys who are seriously pushing 80hrs a week. they are wrecking themselves. it sounds silly like i`m complaining about "modern life" but thats what people are living with. "mandatory overtime" "unpaid overtime" etc being coupled with longer hours, and travel, petrol, and organisation dates are conflicting issues. i`ve sure all these are reasons for reduced attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Although i am not a member of a wildfowling club, I am a member of an inland shoot, but we find work parties are a great way of socializing, getting new members to see around the land, get used to fellow members before the start of the season etc. We tended in the past to rely on a hard core of the willing few, but over the past few years we have split our 18 members into different work party groups, focusing they activities on what like to do best, this has resulted in a significant increase in work party attendence David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Boat Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 My own club do not sell day tickets we sell "guest tickets", only members can buy guest tickets and the name of the guest and date are logged by the head warden, so being sanctioned and logged by the head warden makes them a guest of the club. Is this corect David? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 You are missing my point - If someone wants to try wildfowling with a BASC wildfowling club, then they can under the guest cover provided their visit is sanctioned by the club committee, they do not have to join BASC. We would expect the club in such a case to ensure safety protocols are followed. I cant imagine club wanting someone who is a total unknown to go shooting on their land without the consent of the committee and escorted by someone who knows the ropes. Its not just a matter of insurance, its matter of safety on the marsh - points of safe access and egress, tides, on shore wind, finding your way in the dark, quarry ID and so on This matter has been discussed at a recent committee meeting. We have received advice from BASC in the past about guest tickets. The way we understand how this works is; a guest can be invited by the committee to shoot with a 'guide', but only when no financial transaction has taken place ie no ticket has been sold. Is this correct, please, David? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 As long as a guest is sanctioned by the committee then that's all OK A simple fee to cover costs is not relevant , when targeting new prospective members from the club who shoot with a guide from the club If clubs are selling day tickets to experienced shooters who will go out unguided then that's a different matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Thank you David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I have been in contact as regards this grey area, and picking up points from different posts, it would be easiest if all BASC affiliated clubs run 2 ticket books, 1 - For BASC members to shoot their marsh if they do day tickets 2 - Guest tickets for guided trips with club members, as a have a go day (as in House Boats Post) I do feel you need to be talking £15-20, may seem harsh but if it's pittance you will get people shooting different club marshes several times for less than the cost of joining a actual club. As other clubs seem to also be struggling with this grey area. Would it be possible for each club to receive some literature in plain terms clearing this subject as I think we all go on the side of caution as clubs as we have a great deal to loose, if we make a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Makes sense to me . At present I do not think that all those issuing tickets understood the boundries of the insurance BASC offers , perhaps it needs BASC to contact the clubs to make them aware of this benefit. It should be a simple enough thing to have two different tickets , even if its the same ticket with a tick box to define what it covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I think there is a free publication on the basc website on how to run a wildfowling club. Maybe the relevant info on day ticket criteria Should be in it if it's not already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Most clubs in this area don't have a problem with it and haven't for years. Simple system to operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 It's like football Ben. It's easy until complicated by people 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 It's like football Ben. It's easy until complicated by people Something about mountains and molehills comes to mind Graham. Personally I don't like black and white. A grey area suits me just fine - More room to manoeuvre (and hide). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I like your stance on this Ben. Wouldn't life be boring if everything was black and white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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