wymberley Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Just a few assumptions: Energy is good; The choke specified is its actual performance and not necessarily its nominal measurement; We're talking round figures and a satisfactory level of marksmanship. Who would agree that:- A. With 1oz of No 7s you can consistently kill pigeon at 40 yards with a TC barrel and B. With 1 1/8oz of 6 1/2s the maximum effective range for pigeon with a Full Choke barrel is 40 yards? A simple 'yes' or 'no' to each question is good. Edited May 6, 2015 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Yes, energy is good; Choke is both a measurement (relative to bore size) and an indicator of performance; I would agree that with 1oz of No 7s you can consistently kill pigeon at 40 yards with a Tightly Choked barrel and that 1 1/8oz of 6 1/2s the maximum effective range for pigeon with a Full Choke barrel is in excess of 40 yards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 No.7 easily has the energy for pigeons at 40 yards, but a little choke is required, though not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Phil, A. Yes for sure B. I'd say longer kills than 40 yards can be achieved consistently. Shell in question is my favourite "Pigeon" shell Eley 32g 6 1/2 shot. Answers based on a number of years shooting pigeons and not class room theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Yes, energy is good; Choke is both a measurement (relative to bore size) and an indicator of performance; I would agree that with 1oz of No 7s you can consistently kill pigeon at 40 yards with a Tightly Choked barrel and that 1 1/8oz of 6 1/2s the maximum effective range for pigeon with a Full Choke barrel is in excess of 40 yards? Cheers, Dave. I've amended my description of 'choke' for clarity with regard to the questions. With regard to the questions asked, do I read it that your answer to both is that you don't agree with either A. or B.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I disagree with both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Absolutely yes . Again based on actual shooting in the field . 40 yards is not a long shot for an experienced gun . We have all picked that long long bird stone dead at 80 good paces ,haven't we ? Harnser Edited May 6, 2015 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Just a few assumptions: Energy is good; The choke specified is its actual performance and not necessarily its nominal measurement; We're talking round figures and a satisfactory level of marksmanship. Who would agree that:- A. With 1oz of No 7s you can consistently kill pigeon at 40 yards with a TC barrel and B. With 1 1/8oz of 6 1/2s the maximum effective range for pigeon with a Full Choke barrel is 40 yards? A simple 'yes' or 'no' to each question is good. A. Yes B. No - further out. Cheers, Dave. I've amended my description of 'choke' for clarity with regard to the questions. With regard to the questions asked, do I read it that your answer to both is that you don't agree with either A. or B.? You have a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Just a few assumptions: Energy is good; The choke specified is its actual performance and not necessarily its nominal measurement; We're talking round figures and a satisfactory level of marksmanship. Who would agree that:- A. With 1oz of No 7s you can consistently kill pigeon at 40 yards with a TC barrel and B. With 1 1/8oz of 6 1/2s the maximum effective range for pigeon with a Full Choke barrel is 40 yards? A simple 'yes' or 'no' to each question is good. No to B for sure, the combo is good for a bit more range. If TC is meant to be IC as in Improved Cylinder then no way, not consistently but if you mean Tight Choke then yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Good point, I read it as TIGHT CHOKE but did the OP mean IC? Clarification please Phil Edited May 6, 2015 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 No and no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Good point, I read it as TIGHT CHOKE but did the OP mean IC? Clarification please Phil I would guess he means true cylinder , IE no choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 If that is the case then the answer is a resounding NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 A = I have no idea B = I have no idea I just go pigeon shooting and shoot any of the multitude of cartridges that usually are in my bag at any pigeon that I think is in range , repeat and go home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) A = Yes. 40 yards is as far as I can kill pigeons with no 7 cleanly. B = No. With no 6 in full choke if you have the skill to hit the pigeon No 6 will do the job beyond 40 yards. its a question of how you hit it. I have always found that when hit at 50 yards the pigeon usually loses few if any feathers if its hit in the head and front end of the bird. When you knock out a cloud of feathers you are hitting the bird behind and it is not going to be a clean kill. At this range the ability of the shooter is as important as the cartridge\choke combination. Edited May 6, 2015 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 A. I haven't a clue. B. I haven't a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 my two pence worth A. the pattern will be to open at 40 yards with true cylinder to kill cleanly time after time B. full choke with 7s 6s and 61/2s at 50 yards will still be cleanly killed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 A = I have no idea B = I have no idea I just go pigeon shooting and shoot any of the multitude of cartridges that usually are in my bag at any pigeon that I think is in range , repeat and go home +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel73 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 +1 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Many thanks to those who answered the questions. Obviously, whatever anyone uses is correct as it suits their individual needs, but that wasn't what I asked. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Many thanks to those who answered the questions. Obviously, whatever anyone uses is correct as it suits their individual needs, but that wasn't what I asked. Cheers So can you confirm what you meant by TC; Is it TIGHT CHOKE, TRUE CYLINDER or IMPROVED CYLINDER? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 So can you confirm what you meant by TC; Is it TIGHT CHOKE, TRUE CYLINDER or IMPROVED CYLINDER? Hi, Dave, Usual terminology, TC is True Cylinder. That's why I specified choke performance. The TC spec' is a 40% pattern at the 40 yards but as you know a nominally bored TC barrel will often shoot well below that figure. Cheers, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 And why you got a no and no to both points from me and I believe motty too. So do we get to choose a teddy from the top shelf now Haha 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliver90owner Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 So what is the difference between cylinder and true cylinder? Keep it simple and call it cylinder? Then no ambiguity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 A = I have no idea B = I have no idea I just go pigeon shooting and shoot any of the multitude of cartridges that usually are in my bag at any pigeon that I think is in range , repeat and go home The same answer from me too, although I will need more cartridges than most due to my lack of ability to shoot straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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