Danger-Mouse Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Took my Hatsan pump out the other day and noticed this split in the barrel. The fracture can be seen on the inside of the barrel too. Have sent the photo and spoken to Tom Heapy, the armourer at Edgar Brothers, who deal for Hatsan. He says he`s never seen anything like it. There`s no bulge in the barrel just a crack. Has anyone else seen anything like this before? Any ideas what could have caused it? I`m getting a new barrel but I`m probably going to have the damaged piece cut off this one giving me an unchoked barrel of about 26". A quick question. If at a later date I decide to sell the gun would the cut down barrel have to be reproofed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Interesting, I can just see the Hatsan Haters gathering voice! The cut down barrel would not require proof testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 has this had big steel through it? what are the chokes like? undamaged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted May 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Interesting, I can just see the Hatsan Haters gathering voice! The cut down barrel would not require proof testing. Well before they do let me just say that Tom has been brilliant about this matter. The gun is quite old and well out of warranty. We chatted about a few different options and eventually settled on a new 30" barrel. The total cost, shipped to a local gunshop, just £40. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) That sounds very good and the cut down "Slugger" barrel will prove fun for a little recreational shooting! Good luck Edited May 20, 2015 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted May 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 has this had big steel through it? what are the chokes like? undamaged? It has had some steel put through it, although not by me so I can`t say what size. The chokes are fine, no damage to them whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Interesting, I can just see the Hatsan Haters gathering voice! The cut down barrel would not require proof testing. I think the cut down barrel would need a proof test if the gun is sold on with it , if its just for personal use then no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 With no bulge and no damage to the choke which probably lets steel off the hook, another option is material flaw. Yep, if it was flawed throughout you would expect the higher pressure end to fail first. However, would you be confident that with further use nothing else would 'let go' and I'm thinking somewhere closer to your head. As you've been well treated by Edgars, I'd be inclined to bin that one rather than take a risk. It'll be interesting to hear what our resident 'smiths say if they pick up on the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 As long as it's not cut down to less than 24inches it is still classified as a shotgun, and a cut down barrel does not require a re-proof, even if you sell it!.......but I personally would be very wary regarding the quality of steel that barrel was made from! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 i havent seen this but have seen one with a buldge just before the choke, it actually happened when the guy was practicing on clays with us, on inspection it looked like a poor fitting choke, the barrel was replaced under warranty without a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 im no barrell exspert...................but i work with all types of metal most days........to me that looks like a flaw in the steel...................BIN THE BARREL.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I think the cut down barrel would need a proof test if the gun is sold on with it , if its just for personal use then no. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I think the cut down barrel would need a proof test if the gun is sold on with it , if its just for personal use then no. No it would not need reproof just because it's cut down only if your remove metal from the inside of the barrel. Personally I would not shoot that barrel again it's failed EB can see it as well it shouldn't have done so have done the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimgary Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I was a non destructive testing technician, with what I can see it is a material fault, you could get it tested, dye penetrant tested, x rayed and ultrasonic inspection to test for further flaws, it would cost a lot of money, £40 for a new barrel, bin this one, too risky even if cut down. Regards Gary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesP Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 +1 for those that have said "bin it" It's already failed at the muzzle, it's not worth the risk. Bin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 No it would not need reproof just because it's cut down only if your remove metal from the inside of the barrel. Or outside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Or outside? Don't think so! As regards bore size......only metal removed from the bore, thereby rendering the barrel bore Diameter above the maximum tolerance at which it was last proved renders it "out of proof" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Don't think so! As regards bore size......only metal removed from the bore, thereby rendering the barrel bore Diameter above the maximum tolerance at which it was last proved renders it "out of proof" Doesn't wall thickness come into this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 It's already failed at the muzzle - would you want to take a risk on it failing at the breech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm surprised Edgar bros don't want it back for inspection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Doesn't wall thickness come into this? No it doesnt, as far as proofing is concerned. Providing the barrels pass proof the wall thickness is deemed adequate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 No it would not need reproof just because it's cut down only if your remove metal from the inside of the barrel. Personally I would not shoot that barrel again it's failed EB can see it as well it shouldn't have done so have done the right thing. Thanks I was not 100 % sure, I agree I would not want to use the barrel again , if it has another fault nearer the chamber it could be nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted May 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm surprised Edgar bros don't want it back for inspection I did offer to send the damaged section over if I decided to cut it down and Tom was very interested in having a look. With the advice here about not risking shooting it again in case of further flaws I might ask him if he wants the entire barrel. Thanks for all the advice guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Personally I would bin it you don't know how far the fault runs down the barrel as for shooting slugs you must like hospital food Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 The Field reviews the Hatsan in the latest copy this month. Highly praised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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