teal27 Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hi all, Does anyone know if you can get a DNA test done on a bitch with no papers to find out Background and pedigree if possible, Reason I ask is I bought a cocker pup Based on looks and size rather than pedigree As she was the best looking bitch I've seen. For that reason I would like to let her have one litter when she's two years old. Both parents are working cockers but had no papers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hi, probably your best bet is to contact the breeders and see if there's any info they can give you. Thing is, if none of your girl's ancestors have been DNA profiled ( it's not common practice) there'll be nothing to match it against... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teal27 Posted June 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Thank you, I'll see what I can find out first, it's a shame really Because she's got such a good temperament and is a pretty little bitch She's working really well. she's only 7 months, she should have a good working litter Too if I can breed her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldweld Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Sorry to tell you but you have bought a cocker TYPE pup. Of course you can do a DNA test but what results are you expecting ? there is NO DNA records for dogs held by the Kennel club so apart from the test telling you its a k9 it wont tell you any more. Nice looking pup but many have fallen for the I want another like the dam mating only to be disappointed, you will only just be fining out if she's a good gundog when she's two ! So slow down you don't even know if she suffers from cocker rage yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teal27 Posted June 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Yh I see your point, if she turns out to be a great gun dog in the future I'd like to breed Her and keep a pup for my self! After her first litter she will Be done as I think it's only fair for a bitch to have at least one litter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Why do you think it's only fair to let a bitch have a litter, out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 If you wanted to breed KC registered pups you should have bought a KC registered bitch. To attempt to register an unregistered bitch is a waste of both time & money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I would agree with wot everyone else has said, ur far too early to really ***** a dogs working ability yet, And no real test for the DNA so best Dunno how much u have actually done with her but at 7 months won't be much more than basics i'd imagine. They're is a long way to go yet. Personally i'd forget about breeding her as u will always have ?? of exactly wot breeding is in ur bitche (and the pup) so cannae really make an informed decision on wot sires would suit it for next litter of pups. U'd be better of just using her as a working dog and buy a KC registered (or unregistered dog of known breeding, i have nothing aggainst un reg dogs as long as u know the breeding, i have 1 myself althou from reg parents just didnae see the point in registering him) so atleast u know wot ur dealing with in the future and know wot ur 'line' is. Finally this going to sound personal/cheeky but not meant to be, depending on how much experience u have had with working dogs but worth going to working tests etc just to see wot good dogs can actually do. The ammount of people i know that think the sun shines out of the dogs bum, yet the keeper/shoot captain thinks itas a laibility and totally useless. I've seen noisey yipping whinning cockers bred from as 'great working dogs' when nothing could be further from the truth It's really quite hard to ***** ur own dog without being favouritist (and also hard to critise someones dog without offending them too ) The last statement probably makes me sound arrogant etc but not meant to, i have no illusions about the faults in my own dogs which are far from perfect but do wot i want, well most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Scotland I think your comments are spot on. Too many people breed because they want to keep a pup and have no real understanding of what's involved. I would rather pay someone who has the experience and knowledge to produce the best pups possible and then you also don't have the risk of having 10 unregistered pups you can't get rid of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker boy Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 This thread, as mad as it is , is no different to the thoughts of 95% of people that breed dogs in this country. Put a few "very goods", a few "lovely nature's" in the advert and the new kitchen /holiday etc etc is as good as paid for. Oh sorry, I forgot, people don't make any money peddling, err I mean selling,pups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 This thread, as mad as it is , is no different to the thoughts of 95% of people that breed dogs in this country. Put a few "very goods", a few "lovely nature's" in the advert and the new kitchen /holiday etc etc is as good as paid for. Oh sorry, I forgot, people don't make any money peddling, err I mean selling,pups. Well I take your point I've only breed to keep a pup Bach but must be honest and have always made good money from the litters they have had I think anyone that tells you different must be having a laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teal27 Posted June 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Big bird, that's just my opinion, I just think a bitch has Some kind of right to have one litter, just believe It's fair on the dog to experience Young of their Own, as for the breeding side of my pup you'll never know how they will Turn out until you try for yourself! I don't pretend to Be a pro trainer or a vet but I've trained two dogs so far and both Have done what has been asked of them so I'm hoping my girl Follows and for her age she is picking things up very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Big bird, that's just my opinion, I just think a bitch has Some kind of right to have one litter, just believe It's fair on the dog to experience Young of their Own, as for the breeding side of my pup you'll never know how they will Turn out until you try for yourself! I don't pretend to Be a pro trainer or a vet but I've trained two dogs so far and both Have done what has been asked of them so I'm hoping my girl Follows and for her age she is picking things up very quickly. Thing is its your dog so do as you like and enjoy her that's what it's all about at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 EW is spot on it's ur dog so u can do wot u want and don't have to prove anything to some radom strangers on PW. But some of the random strangers do talk a lot of sense about dogs The only thing i'd add to think about is if/when u bred and keep a pup u will likely breed and keep a pup of that too? It does often happen so try to start with as good a bitch as u can with as few faults and free of any genetic/inherited fualts (noise or hard mouth which may not really show till starts working properly) or illnesses as it will comeback to bite u in the end and u have to put up with that for a long time. If u start breeding and have a few generations of bitch it will be even harder not to breed in the future even if bitch is not really good enough just to keep the 'line' going. There is an awful lot of very poor bitches being bred from, and put to top studs Also ur talking about breeding at 2?? Will mean u have 2 very young dogs in house at the same time. Sometimes not easy training wise plus 2 dogs in prime at same time and 2 dogs reaching retirement at same time Also if 7 month now, prob a Dec pup so only be 13-14 month old at the end of this comong shooting season, most advice would tell u not to really work ur dog this year (most dogs are spoiled by working too soon, know i've done it with a few) so at 2 ur dog will have hardly really worked live game so still hard to truely rate how good/bad the dog actually is. Sometimes ur just better off not breeding from them hard as it may seem, get her dressed and u dinae have to worry about seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 I wasn't having a go, I was genuinely interested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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