wabbit warren Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 hi guys got a cheap pigeon flapper today £23 inc p+p yer i know well its now packed back in the box it came in and is going back monday i set it up in my back garden without a bird on it and attached a battery it run well for all of 2 minutes then made some funny noises and stoped seems like the tiny little gears in the gearbox on the motor arnt up to the job SO DONT BUY ONE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Did you break the pigeons wings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 i set it up in my back garden without a bird on it and attached a battery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Juicer Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I used mine last week for the first time, it broke after 20 minutes. The bird had its wings broken as shown on videos I watched. I heard noises from it as it went kaput. It was £24 FROM THE BAY. I've still to write to them to complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Out shooting this morning with 2 flappers from habit new out of the box yesterday, one lasted 10 minutes the other 15 minutes, guess it serves me right for buying cheap, when I e-mailed him he didnt really seem shocked (suprise, surprise) biggest pile of **** ive ever bought shooting wise. And yes I broke the wings BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Sounds like a bad habit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbit warren Posted July 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 we all know you only get what you pay for but looking at the build quality my daughter could have made it better in school still its going back monday glad im not the only one to have problems with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I bought one ... don't expect this seller to honour any warranty as listed on his ebay listing. Possible saving grace .. l stripped the motor down and found that one of the reduction gears had stripped it teeth. I've messured the electrical motor and they are get'able ... couldn't make a lot of sense regards the code printed on the motor. Yep, its 12 volt but unsure of the output shaft speed. If l can suss it out; the motors are available. They're inexpensive. If they turn out to be of a similar rubbish quality as what is fitted in the Habit supplied flapper, then it will have been a waste. I reckon with a decent motor they would be okay. Certainly wouldn't recommend anyone buying a Habit supplied one off ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I bought one ... don't expect this seller to honour any warranty as listed on his ebay listing. I e-mailed the seller yesterday,and he returned my e-mail straight away saying how sorry he was anyway will see how things go and will post the outcome To be honest for the price I didn't expect them to last forever,but I did expect longer than 10 mins.The most annoying thing was carting them and the btys to my shooting location yesterday all the extra weight for **** all That old saying rings true Buy cheap buy twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 We all live and learn BB .. some we win, other's we don't lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 We all live and learn BB .. some we win, other's we don't lol We sure do mate im just typing this out waiting to take my Mrs to Basingstoke holiday shopping I reckon the price of them flappers is no where near what I will spend today BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Yep, that's the one I bought, and Yes, the gearbox stripped. I ordered a new 100 rpm motor gearbox unit from China directly which unfortunately takes forever to come (came after 6 weeks) Fortunately one of my friends is Nick Tait of Flightline decoys, and he sent me one of his 300 rpm units which have exactly the same dimensions, but far higher quality. I then put TF2 (bicycle chain) Teflon oil along the flapping arm runners and allowed it to drip in, fitted the new motor and assembled it all, and lo and behold, it works perfectly. The difference in quality of Nicks motors compared to the originals is enormous Fitted a speed controller (needed for when using on corvids) and a timer, and it's like a crow magnet now, brings them in from miles away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I bought one ... don't expect this seller to honour any warranty as listed on his ebay listing. Possible saving grace .. l stripped the motor down and found that one of the reduction gears had stripped it teeth. I've messured the electrical motor and they are get'able ... couldn't make a lot of sense regards the code printed on the motor. Yep, its 12 volt but unsure of the output shaft speed. If l can suss it out; the motors are available. They're inexpensive. If they turn out to be of a similar rubbish quality as what is fitted in the Habit supplied flapper, then it will have been a waste. I reckon with a decent motor they would be okay. Certainly wouldn't recommend anyone buying a Habit supplied one off ebay. Hoggyreels, I believe the original motor is 60 or 100 rpm, but are of questionable quality (motor is okay, but gearbox is ****) The replacement LOOKS almost identical (dimension wise it IS identical), but the gearbox is made of far higher quality materials. The motor gearbox unit is where he saved the money to get the price down, and unfortunately is the most important part. Replace the motor gearbox, run some TF2 Teflon oil down the runners, and it will work perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbit warren Posted July 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 thanks guys been looking for motors as ive built one some years back but it is to slow as someone said the 300rpm seem the motor of the moment but getting one with the od of 1" is hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Yep I got caught as well sent it back. they sent another that did not work. got refund from the bay. 1st contact was good but problem with second they never bothered to reply so got refund. Still not heard from them so ordered item 161194740777 from the bay . one free 200 rpm flapper that works fine. justice done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Yep, put a 300 rpm motor in, use a timer, and use a speed controller. 30-60 BPM for corvids, and 200-300 BPM for pigeon (BPM = beats per minute) Mine works better than new now thanks guys been looking for motors as ive built one some years back but it is to slow as someone said the 300rpm seem the motor of the moment but getting one with the od of 1" is hard 25mm is the dia you want, as 25.4 mm is 1" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 When mine arrived it was battleship grey. So l painted it using blackboard black. Mine lasted maybe an hour and gear sheared. The fact l'd painted mine gave the fella a way out. Having stripped mine knowing he won't accept it as a return, l noticed a few things. The top grommet will allow water ingress and the wiring that runs through the grommet, hasn't got any form of wire retaining. In other words a slight tug on the wiring will cause the poorly soldered terminals to fail. The gearbox has insufficient lubrication also. So lm going to pick up a motor if posdible .. l'd be intetested to know about "Nicks motors" Redditch and also about the speed controller and timer ... probably worth salvaging a floating wreck me thinks .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Yep I too have stripped one of mine down,loose bits rattling about inside **** quality,think I might give the other one 2 barrels of 12g later in the week BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Nicks motors are basically the same design, but from a different company, and far far better quality. Used mine 10-12 times all day since the repair, and still works perfect. Speed controller and timer can be gotten from A1 Decoy, or most other suppliers on eBay. To get round the problem of water ingress, a dad of silicone on the grommet cures it, to get round the cable pulling, simply knot the cable or put a cable tie over it. On the rear linkage, I filled most of that with grease, then silicone around the edges Of the housing, then screwed shut The runner tubes for the flapping arms, I dripped some Teflon oil down there And yes, I painted mine matt black too Edited July 19, 2015 by Redditch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogs Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Had the same one mine lasted 40 min got one from A1 decoys great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 ive got the manual flapper...with a string............."ive been pullin it for 25 years and it aint come off--got loose--or broke yet" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 ive got the manual flapper...with a string............."ive been pullin it for 25 years and it aint come off--got loose--or broke yet" And it's self lubing, and spits when it's got too much lube ? Hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 And it's self lubing, and spits when it's got too much lube ? Hahahaha BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 And it's self lubing, and spits when it's got too much lube ? Hahahaha you mean a self regulating dump valve !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 you mean a self regulating dump valve !! Yep lol, it just needs pumping to pressurise it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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