Zetter Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Hi All How does land clearance work for FAC air? Is it the same as for powder burners i.e. land is cleared for up to x caliber. The only reason I ask is I am thinking of putting in for a variation for another FAC air and fancy one in .25 cal as a bit of a change from .22. Now both my permissions are not in my force's area but are cleared up to .22RF along with .17HMR but how does this go for .25cal air, does the land need clearing for that specifically the same as it would if for example I wanted to use a center fire on it such as .223 or does cleared for FAC air/ .22RF cover all air calibers. As apart from some loopy American examples most of the common FAC air stuff over here is still short of the .22lr in terms of muzzle energy/ potential carry distance ? I would be planning to try and get my ticket opened for FAC at the same time as the variation as I get a fair few chances to shoot other permissions on an infrequent basis and using my FAC air rather than sub 12 ft/lb would be a benefit. If however a) they don't go for that and b) I have to apply to both other forces to go for a variation of the clearance I will sack the .25 idea off and stick to another FAC air in .22. Anyone who has had any experience of this who can give me some guidance would be great. Cheers Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I asked for and was given open on my variation straight away when I added FAC air. Worth trying that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Depends they told a mate of mine no open end of until his others were also open Some forces don't even do closed fac though so who knows till you ask for Depends they told a mate of mine no open end of until his others were also open Some forces don't even do closed fac though so who knows till you ask for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Looks like it could be an ask and see what happens thing. Spoke to another shooter in the local RFD and he got a second FAC air slot bounced as he already had one even though he wanted it for dedicated NV rig. Will wait I think till TVP have sorted out their backlog and then stick in an application I suppose the worst they can say is no. Edited September 6, 2015 by Zetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I asked for my FAC Air to be opened, up leaving my .22lr closed. I enclosed maps , contact numbers of whom to speak too at the six perms. I got a phone call advising me that it would not be opened , until end of its first term. The perms will be visited, (still nothing after 9 weeks?), and if I sent in receipts for more airgun pellets , showing how many I used, it may help my case. ? I have just about given up to be honest, it sort of 'killed my pig' ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted September 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Which region are you in Longbower is it Thames Valley? I love the bit about airgun pellets bought thats priceless what happens if you have a .22 non fac gun as well strange thing to ask for Edited September 8, 2015 by Zetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 I am in Cheshire . I do have a non FAC Air rifle, in fact I run an Air Rifle club (indoor range) , and purchase the pellets for the lads from my local shop. So my last two receipts for pellets were over a hundred pounds , within a two month period.! That was a phone call as well , not even a letter! This highlights my argument that, some people like myself , shoot/hunt several times a week, whereas some only shoot/hunt very occasionally,So at the end of the first FAC period when the renewal is then opened , who would be the most experienced ? Yet both are treated the same! Which seems unfair, as a 'blanket' policy is being applied to all, irrelevant of experience. I spoke to someone at the BASC, who basically said "that's just the way it is".(Ta, very much I will keep sending the money every year). My shooting partner, who only started last year, who I got a couple of 'permissions' as he had no where to shoot his sub 12, applied to his area force for an open FAC air , and got it granted immediately, Its all a bit ''pants' really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted September 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Its all a bit odd really. I found it a bit worry that TVP kicked the lad I was talking to back for wanting a second slot for same caliber even for an NV setup yet a lot of other force areas are quite happy togrant this as a good reason to acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Hi All How does land clearance work for FAC air? Is it the same as for powder burners i.e. land is cleared for up to x caliber. The only reason I ask is I am thinking of putting in for a variation for another FAC air and fancy one in .25 cal as a bit of a change from .22. Now both my permissions are not in my force's area but are cleared up to .22RF along with .17HMR but how does this go for .25cal air, does the land need clearing for that specifically the same as it would if for example I wanted to use a center fire on it such as .223 or does cleared for FAC air/ .22RF cover all air calibers. As apart from some loopy American examples most of the common FAC air stuff over here is still short of the .22lr in terms of muzzle energy/ potential carry distance ? I would be planning to try and get my ticket opened for FAC at the same time as the variation as I get a fair few chances to shoot other permissions on an infrequent basis and using my FAC air rather than sub 12 ft/lb would be a benefit. If however a) they don't go for that and b) I have to apply to both other forces to go for a variation of the clearance I will sack the .25 idea off and stick to another FAC air in .22. Anyone who has had any experience of this who can give me some guidance would be great. Cheers Neil Consider this. If I were to be invited to shoot on any of the bits of ground and got written permission to cover me ECT I could bring along any of my weapons which are .22rf .222 .223 .243 .270 and use them if I deemed the ground suitable and safe to use any of those calibres because I have an open ticket. I have never been told by any authority that a piece of ground has got to be cleared for any calibre because if this were the case the name would be no point in any situation of anyone having an open certificate. All of this makes a bit of a mockery of them stating that you can only use an air rifle on a specific piece of ground and that they won't open your ticket until the end of the first term. What it amounts to is a kind of variation of having to have a mentor which I believe has now been scrapped in the guidance although some authorities are still trying to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 PS to above. I use all my different calibres on lots of different bits of ground that I have been asked to shoot over. On several occasions plod has turned up and we have gone through the formalities of the certificate paperwork but I have never been asked on any piece of ground if I have authority or clearance to shoot on that piece of ground with the particular calibre regarding ground clearance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 I spoke to someone at the BASC, who basically said "that's just the way it is".(Ta, very much I will keep sending the money every year). Its all a bit ''pants' really. That's why I'm not a member of the basc anymore because I was told to accept what I was given and not rock the boat. They are a total waste of time and space. my mother in law has more influence with the firearms department and that amounts to Diddly squat. I use CCC3 for insurance about £30 a year. Millions of cover. Do it online. Print out cert. Simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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