hpenrith Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hi what would you say is the best out of these two rifles Weihrauchhw 100ks or Bsa ultra se. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenduri Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Depends what you want, by general opinion the hw100 is the better of the two but oth have their own merits. HW100 is a heavy and big beast but the Ultra is small and light, this mattets if you are lugging them around a field. Due to the difference in size of the air rifles it can matter based on your physical size. Both will shoot at around the same ftlbs but you should get more shots out of the hw100. Both can be as accurate as each other Its not so much which is the best but rather which is the best for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 pretty much both on par with each other,other than the ultra se is super light, and the hw has a 14 shot mag, other than that its personal preference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Accuracy wise not sure .. HW has shot count (50% greater) .. Ultra has a good positive bolt system. HW has a fantastic lever system .. HW carbine is not overly heavy. BSA Ultra is light. I like both the trigger feel of either rifle Both good hunting rifles .. if you're happy to lay out the extra money, l'd suggest the HW carbine is the one to go for. Though both will suffice hunting wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Hw 100. Ultra is nice gun, but the hw 100 is class above it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 pistol. Downside the Ultra can double feed pellets even the Hatsan doesn't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 The HW is leagues ahead of the BSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 pistol. Downside the Ultra can double feed pellets even the Hatsan doesn't do that. That is true .. Regards "HW is leagues ahead" .. that is a general could mean anything or nothing throw away remark. A rifle is a tube and a form of mechanism that projects a pellet to an intended target. How accurate and consistant that function occurs has the major relevance regarding the rifles worth. So tell me mole, what is the meaning "leagues ahead" regards the pellet leaving the tube and striking the intended target .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Quite simple, HW build quality, even these days, is well ahead of BSA. BSA are continually being plagued with problems, not working/failing air gauges on the Ultra, magazine problems (all models), seal problems (all models), heck even the legendary BSA accuracy is rapidly becoming an item of history. The other half had a Scorpion SE that had to make the trip back to Birmingham because it grouped so badly you could not zero it (worn mandrels are suspected). Though we had problems with 2 x HW95s that had poorly finished springs they were much better finished than anything that came from BSA/Gamo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Mole, your history of air rifle returns due to apparent faults is legendary... l respect "you expressing" you're opinion. Though it's vague and confusing. 0r plain unlucky to the extreme, maybe! BSA Ultra or HW Carbine .. l'd choose the HW carbine. Probably for aesthetics, 14 shot magazine and improved shot count. Might be worth a visit to youtube to see the accuracy of the HW 100 & BSA Ultra .. both impressive when user is proficient Don't let mole buy it for you! ... its will almost certainly be sent back, faulty ;-) Edited November 5, 2015 by hoggysreels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpenrith Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Depends what you want, by general opinion the hw100 is the better of the two but oth have their own merits. HW100 is a heavy and big beast but the Ultra is small and light, this mattets if you are lugging them around a field. Due to the difference in size of the air rifles it can matter based on your physical size. Both will shoot at around the same ftlbs but you should get more shots out of the hw100. Both can be as accurate as each other Its not so much which is the best but rather which is the best for you! Thankyou Quite simple, HW build quality, even these days, is well ahead of BSA. BSA are continually being plagued with problems, not working/failing air gauges on the Ultra, magazine problems (all models), seal problems (all models), heck even the legendary BSA accuracy is rapidly becoming an item of history. The other half had a Scorpion SE that had to make the trip back to Birmingham because it grouped so badly you could not zero it (worn mandrels are suspected). Though we had problems with 2 x HW95s that had poorly finished springs they were much better finished than anything that came from BSA/Gamo. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 don't get hw100 in 22 ive just traded one in for a bsa scorpion 177,the hw 100 was shooting all over the place,and its not just mine my mate had I in 22 and that was the same as well,so hunting I use bsa ultra in 177,much more accurate. pistol. Downside the Ultra can double feed pellets even the Hatsan doesn't do that. not with the latest magazine it wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Mole, your history of air rifle returns due to apparent faults is legendary... l respect "you expressing" you're opinion. Though it's vague and confusing. 0r plain unlucky to the extreme, maybe! BSA Ultra or HW Carbine .. l'd choose the HW carbine. Probably for aesthetics, 14 shot magazine and improved shot count. Might be worth a visit to youtube to see the accuracy of the HW 100 & BSA Ultra .. both impressive when user is proficient Don't let mole buy it for you! ... its will almost certainly be sent back, faulty ;-) I have had a run of bad when buying, never hat a problem with an HW100 though, never had a problem with BSA with the Super 10, the HW feels better built to the hand though. Had an Ultra too, an MMC job that worked, but I hated it. That got sold back to the same gunshop we bought it from. Never could get on with doing the hokey cokey to take a shot. The SE Ultra with the Scorpion bolt action is a lot better for reloading. don't get hw100 in 22 ive just traded one in for a bsa scorpion 177,the hw 100 was shooting all over the place,and its not just mine my mate had I in 22 and that was the same as well,so hunting I use bsa ultra in 177,much more accurate. not with the latest magazine it wont. Er oh yes it will, the latest magazine is auto indexing, has nothing to do with anti double loading. Out of the pair only the HW has the anti double loading mechanism. Edited November 5, 2015 by secretagentmole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigC2000 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Try the BSA R10 mk 2 in .22. I've had mine for 3 months now and it's an amazing rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 craig. Love the rifle but ...... I had a word with BSA rep at the Midland Fair. Told him I would buy one tomorrow if they would only fit a anti double loading mechanism ... He told me that they had not even discussed this being carried out. Told him that Hatsan had them fitted on their guns ..... He shrugged his shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 pistol. Downside the Ultra can double feed pellets even the Hatsan doesn't do that. This is correct. I've got both the hw and ultra, the hw aces the ultra. But I take the ultra with me on a stroll around the perm to check the pheasants because it's so light and easy to sling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 lets be honest guys its not the rifle that double loads its the operator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) lets be honest guys its not the rifle that double loads its the operator. Yea can't argue with that lol .. though it's PW, so wait for it ! Edited November 7, 2015 by hoggysreels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 yeh know what u mean hr ,,,wait for the flack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Hawk. What you say is absolutely correct but .... as we get older we tend to forget ... it can also happen to younger people. ( I have had clear a few barrels often with three or more pellets jammed inside ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Mole, your history of air rifle returns due to apparent faults is legendary... l respect "you expressing" you're opinion. Though it's vague and confusing. 0r plain unlucky to the extreme, maybe! BSA Ultra or HW Carbine .. l'd choose the HW carbine. Probably for aesthetics, 14 shot magazine and improved shot count. Might be worth a visit to youtube to see the accuracy of the HW 100 & BSA Ultra .. both impressive when user is proficient Don't let mole buy it for you! ... its will almost certainly be sent back, faulty ;-) Now don't laugh, bought a sub 12 Super 10 from an Auction, turned out to be an FAC with an FAC reg on it. Managed to get a refund and them to collect it, saw a sub 12 advertised at the Gun Shop in Rugby, bought it, got it home, running at 13.8 ft lb! Spoke to them, had to take it to a local RFD who examined it, adjusted the hammer spring and now it is running at 11.5ft lbs! The Gun Shop in Rugby paid for the repair! Damned decent folks! There must be something in what you say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Doesn't make you a bad person mole; quite the contrary! .. though an unlucky person airgun wise, that, l'd suggest you are. Here's hoping your luck changes mate ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyh Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) don't get hw100 in 22 ive just traded one in for a bsa scorpion 177,the hw 100 was shooting all over the place,and its not just mine my mate had I in 22 and that was the same as well,so hunting I use bsa ultra in 177,much more accurate. not with the latest magazine it wont. Sorry, but the HW100 is notoriously pellet fussy. Once you have found the right pellet, it is a machine. I can tell by the first couple of shots if my HW is going to shoot well or not with a particular make. For some reason my HW likes Accupels, so thats what I buy. I am not familiar with the BSA but the 14shot mag with simple cocking lever on the HW is faultless and reliable. No messing for pellets when its dark and lamping rabbits Edited November 11, 2015 by trickyh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Doesn't make you a bad person mole; quite the contrary! .. though an unlucky person airgun wise, that, l'd suggest you are. Here's hoping your luck changes mate ;-) Don't wish that if it were not for bad luck I would have no luck at all lol! Besides the good old Hatsan Galatian certainly brought home the dinners the other night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 I was torn by a BSA of some kind vs a HW100, I went for the HW100 in the end as its better made IMO, has the 14 shot mag and the weight can be reduced by a A&M cylinder, the HW100 also comes with two mags and a silencer in the price so saves you some money there too. Am happy and thats the way I would recomend to anyone else ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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