Sambaker1993 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hi guys , just ended up with an 11 week old springer that has been re homed 4 times , I had to have him before he ended up in a kennel but he is from working stock the only problem is I have a 19 week old lab ! It's like play time all the time which I knew it would be but is there any ways where I could burn them out so I can chill for half an hour or anything tips or pointers would be great , thanks Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 If you can't burn them out. Could you not separate them? At that age they will have silly energy levels, even when I walked my springer for the recommended amount of time at that age his recovery time was insanely quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fal Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I feel sorry for you!!!! My lab was 2 when my srpinger came along, I was losing the plot slowly, non stop play fighting, I have two crates, as soon as I'd had enough, in they went. My springer is almost seven month old now and he is still mental, it's not going to change, he's a pest! My lab is soul destroyed, he gets no peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambaker1993 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hahaha guys what have I let my self in for ! I crate them anyway and I know this might sound daft but like when I take them out for training how do I do it without anyone of them feeling left out as such because I put hell of allot of time into my lab? Does this make any sense ? and thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hahaha guys what have I let my self in for ! I crate them anyway and I know this might sound daft but like when I take them out for training how do I do it without anyone of them feeling left out as such because I put hell of allot of time into my lab? Does this make any sense ? and thanks guys The only sensible thing to do is train them separately until they are at a stage you have full control over them if not you will just end up with a play session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambaker1993 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 The only sensible thing to do is train them separately until they are at a stage you have full control over them if not you will just end up with a play session. Sounds like sensible advise nice one pall what sort of time scales do you think I should do with them being young because they will need to play its part of being a pup ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I would not be doing anything much with them until they are 6 months or more , just start putting the very basics in place , sit , stay , come . Its a bad idea to have a time scale as such , they all learn at a different pace. The pup I am training now I am hoping will be ready for next September by which time he will be about 18 months old but if he needs longer then I have no problem with that. More dogs are perhaps ruined by rushing them into the field than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambaker1993 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 So would you still walk them both together ? Like Coby my lab he is 19 weeks and he is flying his training picking it up so so so fast it's unreal like he is already retreaving and everything on point so just started with the whistle , and would it be a good idea to seperate the crates so both dogs don't know who will be out of the crate ect ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambaker1993 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 And for example they are also house dogs so like when I just want to chill at night after a hard days work I don't want to crate them still I want them both out but if they won't stop playing what do you guys advise me to do because I don't want to end up insane hahahahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 So would you still walk them both together ? Like Coby my lab he is 19 weeks and he is flying his training picking it up so so so fast it's unreal like he is already retreaving and everything on point so just started with the whistle , and would it be a good idea to seperate the crates so both dogs don't know who will be out of the crate ect ? I take mine out together , but one is always on a lead at present while one can have a bit of free running , then I swap them over , I still dont have both out when training proper. You will never stop pups of that age playing with each other so crating or separating is your best option . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 So would you still walk them both together ? Like Coby my lab he is 19 weeks and he is flying his training picking it up so so so fast it's unreal like he is already retreaving and everything on point so just started with the whistle , and would it be a good idea to seperate the crates so both dogs don't know who will be out of the crate ect ? Sounds like you may be rushing. Any decent retriever should be able to retrieve at just a few weeks old, but it means nowt. Don't make the mistake of thinking your dog is already half trained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambaker1993 Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I know still allot of work to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I didnt start training my ess until 6 months. In the time leading up I worked on recall and sit. I dont use wait or stay as imo I ask my dog to sit, and he should sit until I give the next command, why add a command thats potentially not needed. I agree with training separately as then u can focus more and they inturn also will. In the evenings just be firm with them if they start to play and ud rather relax. But remember at the end of the day they are still both young energetic pups.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambaker1993 Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Thanks for your inputs guys ! So like so when I get it take them out for about 15 - 20 mins each then take them both out and let them burn them selfs out just using basic commands I.e sit and recall ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosthunter Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Thanks for your inputs guys ! So like so when I get it take them out for about 15 - 20 mins each then take them both out and let them burn them selfs out just using basic commands I.e sit and recall ? Methinks you may burn out well before they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Thanks for your inputs guys ! So like so when I get it take them out for about 15 - 20 mins each then take them both out and let them burn them selfs out just using basic commands I.e sit and recall ? When i first started training my pup stayed on the lead when not in training. And i did sit and re call in house to start.. They cant run off and ignore as easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Hahaha guys what have I let my self in for ! I crate them anyway and I know this might sound daft but like when I take them out for training how do I do it without anyone of them feeling left out as such because I put hell of allot of time into my lab? Does this make any sense ? and thanks guys Like others have said a lab at that age i would only be expecting to kmow its name be walking shortish distances to heel and be sitting, and coming back confidently with something in its mouth (at that age i'd still be making a big fuss of it while it held it not worried about a delivery yet, or even steadiness). Just doing 5-10 min fun training sessions.Very easy to catch up later on as long as basics are good, if u have rushed them its a real pain going back to them with an older dog U will have to walk them seperately untill they will both heel very well on there own otherwise most likely both will start to pull to be the dominat dog and all ur previous heel work will be forgotten about U will also have to play train them seperately too so they are concentrating on u, prob be like that till 18 month old or until ur doing more advanced work where both will sit steady while 1 is sent for the retrieve and the other won't move. I would let them have a few good play sessions together in garden but do no training with them when both together (more likely to learn to ignore u and focus on each other) but also get them used to taking 1 dog out its crate and leave the other dog in its crate and swapping over , otherwise 1 might start to whine when u take 1 dog out to train it Really take ur time with the basics and get them well ingrained, when the wheels fall off around 9-15months a lot easier to put them back on if dog has not been rushed and basics are known. I dunno how experienced u are but try to join a gundog club in the spring or get a few lessons of a decent trainer will make a world of difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambaker1993 Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 What trainers are good north west ? I don't mind travelling too much if they are good ? I think I'm doing quite well so far hahah made allot of mistakes with using treats for certain things but apart from that! There are so many ways it's hard to find any one way of direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Cheshiregundogs are good. They do puppy and adult classes in a group or one to one. http://cheshiregundogs.com Edited November 23, 2015 by loriusgarrulus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) They're only babies, as others have already said, bond, socialise and get the basics in and by basics I mean what Scotslad has said. Definitely too much too soon Edited November 23, 2015 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairmullen Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Puppies will be puppies. You need to socialise them with other dogs, especially dogs that will be in the same household. I know you may feel stressed with them playing but just leave them too it unless they're knocking stuff over. I help breed GSDs with my girlfriends grandparents, they're show dogs and protection dogs but still all the same rules with pups. They have 1 puppy at the moment, and 6 other dogs in the house with them, as well as 4 in the kennels out back. If you do not socialise dogs at a young age, you can end up running into massive problems. Best idea in my opinion, is just to leave them to it. They'll get bored after a while and then just lie down and chill. If they're getting to rowdy, don't shout, but in a very commanding voice tell them to stop. They'll quickly learn, after all they're intelligent dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Not sure who is in the NW. Try searching the KC site for registered FT clubs even if u have no intrest in trialing they might do group classes (althou probably throu summer/lighter nites) or possibly odd wknds. Be good to socialise for both u and the dog. It really is quite easy to train a dog to an average working standard when folk show u a few of the tricks. is there any 'normal' obediance classes in ur area? The sort u usually find in church/town halls, even those are worth while to get the basic obedience and dogs socialised atleast to start with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambaker1993 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 They are both doing really well to be fair , these things will just come with time over the last week I have had him now both dogs do like to have a mad hour with one another and they do settle down I would actually go to say it's better at some points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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