motty Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I spend a huge amount of time watching all my permissions looking for opportunities. When one does arise the last thing you want is half the county jumping in on it. This will appeal to newish inexperienced shooters who are grateful just to have somewhere to go and make some noise but it wont do much for real pest control. I couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I think it depends on whether farmers want pigeons on their crops or not. The trouble is, with pigeon scarers, the birds come back later. When they are killed, they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 To answer the question on page 2 - the NFU do not make any money out of this, BASC's income is from its membership and one of our objectives to to help members secure shooting. As i have kept on saying, if the incumbent shooter(s) are on top of the pest and pigoens, then all is well. How may on here have lost their shooting when they have been doing a god job for their farmer? Not many i bet. So where is the real problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 To answer the question on page 2 - the NFU do not make any money out of this, BASC's income is from its membership and one of our objectives to to help members secure shooting. As i have kept on saying, if the incumbent shooter(s) are on top of the pest and pigoens, then all is well. How may on here have lost their shooting when they have been doing a god job for their farmer? Not many i bet. So where is the real problem... No problem from me as if the farmers need help then its an easy way for them to get someone onto the ground. I would ask again what vetting BASC are going to do with a member before he/she gets onto the scheme to make sure they are suitable to do a better job than those that have maybe failed the landowner in the past?Is the criteria just going to be a BASC membership and if so that could be a very poor plan?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 No problem from me as if the farmers need help then its an easy way for them to get someone onto the ground. I would ask again what vetting BASC are going to do with a member before he/she gets onto the scheme to make sure they are suitable to do a better job than those that have maybe failed the landowner in the past?Is the criteria just going to be a BASC membership and if so that could be a very poor plan?? the only vetting been done is basc membership which mean jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 No problem from me as if the farmers need help then its an easy way for them to get someone onto the ground. I would ask again what vetting BASC are going to do with a member before he/she gets onto the scheme to make sure they are suitable to do a better job than those that have maybe failed the landowner in the past?Is the criteria just going to be a BASC membership and if so that could be a very poor plan?? none of course..but at least the guns are insured......no landowner would let anyone on without meeting them/seeing them/talking boundaries etc........as for your ''statistics'' comment....£50 to charity if 20 landowners have'nt heard of BASC......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 none of course..but at least the guns are insured......no landowner would let anyone on without meeting them/seeing them/talking boundaries etc........as for your ''statistics'' comment....£50 to charity if 20 landowners have'nt heard of BASC......... I will save you your money as i know i could do 20 farms tomorrow that havent heard of BASC.We must be living on different planets if the majority down your way do. None of course,but at least they are insured? Is that the vetting you are referring to? If so imo thats pretty poor as they might just be filling the space with someone thats not up to the task which i thought was the main aim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 David, I think it's a great idea to promote crop protection teams. I can supply a team in Hampshire .... All vetted shift workers!! Happy pig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 How do we find out about clubs to become a member? I'd love to find some shooting around here!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosthunter Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 How do we find out about clubs to become a member? I'd love to find some shooting around here!! +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushies Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 none of course..but at least the guns are insured......no landowner would let anyone on without meeting them/seeing them/talking boundaries etc........as for your ''statistics'' comment....£50 to charity if 20 landowners have'nt heard of BASC......... Again, I could take you round dozens of farms up here that wouldn't have a scooby who BASC were and would probably confuse them with a BACS, also of all the shoots I've been on (a few)not one asks about BASC insurance they ask if your insured if they ask at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 My experience locally is that farmers are less concerned about people being BASC members or having BASC involved in pigeon control and more concerned about having people that they know and trust on their land. Whilst the principle may be sound for BASC pigeon control teams supplied to farms, I'm not so sure that farmers would blindly accept it as they're not daft and realise that anyone can become a member so that doesn't say anything about their suitability. Farmers that I know on the whole wont take chances with armed strangers on their land as they know the risks and are more aware about legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 A very valid point Savhmr, I have built good working relationships with the farmers that have given me permission over the years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 advertised over many years at hundreds of pounds never had one phone call not one. did speak to one farmer told him that he will loose a 1/3 of his rape crop over the next few days or weeks, he said that's o k ,I will get secondry growth, I rest my case.? saw him a few times later ,out with the gas bangers must have had second thoughts gas bangers don't kill pigeons .fickle lot they can be. never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 he will loose a 1/3 of his rape crop over the next few days or weeks, he said that's o k ,I will get secondry growth, I rest my case.? It's supposed to be after the end of January that pigeons can permanently damage Oil Seed Rape, so I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I didn't mean this time of the year it was later on in the year a few year's back rjimmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 has anyone here had contact from basc requesting their services? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 To answer the questions further about how its all works. When a farmer gets in touch, the local BASC regional / Country officer goes to visit them. This is to establish exactly what the issues are, and to advise the famer on how the club will be structured and how its will work. The BASC officer then gets in touch with individual members in the area to set up a new club or if there is one contacts and existing a local BASC club to discuss taking over the pest control on the farmland. We then arrange a meeting with the BASC officer, the famer and the new club secretary to go over the lase / shooting agreement , points of access, boundaries etc. I do find it strange that some on here think its a bad idea for the UK's largest shooting origination to try and help its member find and secure more shooting... David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) It's a great idea, but unfortunately it's difficult to find club secretaries, and this tends to find townie plonkers with no knowledge of countryside matters, running clubs. Unfortunately, obtaining shooting usually means treading on somebody's toes. Edited November 23, 2015 by rjimmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 If you join the Dorset Wildfowlers club, you have the option of paying a small amount to be on the list of people willing to do pest control. You also have to pay £60(I think) a year toward a fund to buy land, something that, at my age, I would probably never live to benefit from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 it's basically shooters don't want to share their permissions. we all encourage others on forums etc to start shooting and get out there and find places to shoot as long as it's not where we shoot. this scheme has some benefits and some drawbacks. depends on personal views I think as always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 To answer the questions further about how its all works. When a farmer gets in touch, the local BASC regional / Country officer goes to visit them. This is to establish exactly what the issues are, and to advise the famer on how the club will be structured and how its will work. The BASC officer then gets in touch with individual members in the area to set up a new club or if there is one contacts and existing a local BASC club to discuss taking over the pest control on the farmland. We then arrange a meeting with the BASC officer, the famer and the new club secretary to go over the lase / shooting agreement , points of access, boundaries etc. I do find it strange that some on here think its a bad idea for the UK's largest shooting origination to try and help its member find and secure more shooting... David What a load of waffle and hot air David!! A farmer wants pests dealt with period.....he is not interested in meeting after meeting after meeting to establish "his needs"......he wants someone to turn up, know what they're doing and shoot......Many farmers haven't the time for a cup of coffee let alone 3 meetings and an hours chat at each!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 To answer the questions further about how its all works. When a farmer gets in touch, the local BASC regional / Country officer goes to visit them. This is to establish exactly what the issues are, and to advise the famer on how the club will be structured and how its will work. The BASC officer then gets in touch with individual members in the area to set up a new club or if there is one contacts and existing a local BASC club to discuss taking over the pest control on the farmland. We then arrange a meeting with the BASC officer, the famer and the new club secretary to go over the lase / shooting agreement , points of access, boundaries etc. I do find it strange that some on here think its a bad idea for the UK's largest shooting origination to try and help its member find and secure more shooting... David As an ex BASC member from years ago I feel that as long as it does not step on anyone's toes it is fine. If it causes established shooters to lose their permissions then it is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Richo Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Bad idea. Just another income for BASC. Will end up a monopoly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 A farmer wants pests dealt with period.....he is not interested in meeting after meeting after meeting to establish "his needs"......he wants someone to turn up, know what they're doing and shoot......Many farmers haven't the time for a cup of coffee let alone 3 meetings and an hours chat at each!! Don't forget the Health and Safety risk assessments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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