aldivalloch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I've just this very day had my Coterminous Certificates renewal visit. This is my first experience of renewal by the new Scottish Police Authority - hitherto my dealings were with the old Northern Constabulary. I've been a certificate-holder for over forty years. My renewal is only due on April 11th, but I received my papers three weeks ago, the day after getting a courtesy telephone call from a friendly officer at the local station. A fortnight later I received a further call to negotiate a time for a home visit. The checking process was thorough and efficient, but cordial, and ended with dog-talk when my Lab came through to see how things were going - the officer turned out to be a fellow Lab-owner. So full marks to the SPA for service and for being on the ball. But the visit threw up a some questions: I keep the keys to my cabinet in a hiding-place known only to me.The spare set is hidden elsewhere, whereabouts again known only to me. My wife asked what she should do if I suddenly shuffled off my mortal coil, given that has no access to keys; the officer said that someone from the station would come past with an angle-grinder! I'm not entirely sure that she was joking, and it's not what I would want, me lying in state in the living-room while a bobby plies a screaming power-tool just upstairs! So, in general terms, what have you Pigeon Watchers done to address this potential scenario? My bank doesn't offer safe-custody facilities; my solicitors are two hundred miles away so I don't want to lodge the spare keys with them as it would be a huge hassle to get hold of them if I simply lost or mislaid my set. Has anybody lodged their spares with their friendly local RFD? Would it be legal to do so? Further: The visiting police officer took away my old certificates, which means I can't buy rifle ammo until the new FAC is sent to me, and that may not be til April. It's not a problem as I have sufficient, but those who would be inconvenienced by this - what course of action would you take? And finally, my old FAC entitled me to shoot "anywhere the holder has lawful authority". I've always regarded this as an open certificate, only requiring me to have a landowner's permission and with no requirement to inform the police of specific details. However, the officer told me that this was not the case and that details of each of my permissions should be sent to the police for clearance before I shot over them. I await with interest my new certificate to see what form of words has been applied to it!! And then I'll either challenge it or bother Firearms HQ with a shower of letters of permission. I look forward to hearing views on the foregoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I've not tackled this one, the wife doesn't know where the keys are. It's an interesting one. Your FEO should have left you your certificates for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Wife and I both shoot so keys not an issue, but if we both failed to return from holiday they would have mega issues getting in my cabinet as I use a Grade 5 free standing safe . the wall thickness is 210 mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Surely if you give your solicitor a key to your cabinet you are effectively giving them access to your guns. How can that be legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Wife and I both shoot so keys not an issue, but if we both failed to return from holiday they would have mega issues getting in my cabinet as I use a Grade 5 free standing safe . the wall thickness is 210 mm. Just over 8 inches, is it metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I wouldn't worry about it your only dead once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 When I go,if unexpected: call a locksmith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 i keep my spare keys under the flower pot at the front of my house 53 teapot lane ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 When I go,if unexpected: call a locksmith. This, or the pathologist will find a key taped to my scrotum, that's where I keep mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 When I'm dead I could care less about my guns or safe . Give them to my mates and the angle grinder sparks marks will help them remember me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Just over 8 inches, is it metal. http://www.toconnor.co.uk/tannts5.htm Its a sandwich, the core is a copper based alloy to resist thermal attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Dog Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I won't be telling anyone where my keys are in accordance with my FAC. When I pop my clogs, whoever needs to can call the locksmiths. It may surprise a few how easy it is to open a cabinet without the use of power tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 i keep my spare keys under the flower pot at the front of my house 53 teapot lane ........ can you give me post code for my sat-nav? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Dog Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 can you give me post code for my sat-nav? We need a LIKE button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 http://www.toconnor.co.uk/tannts5.htm Its a sandwich, the core is a copper based alloy to resist thermal attack Blimey. 2.5 - 3.5 tons! I wouldn't fancy dragging that up into the loft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 http://www.toconnor.co.uk/tannts5.htm Its a sandwich, the core is a copper based alloy to resist thermal atta http://www.toconnor.co.uk/tannts5.htm Its a sandwich, the core is a copper based alloy to resist thermal attack Be worth nicking just for the scrap value then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I always lock the spare set in the cabinet. Safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I always lock the spare set in the cabinet. Safe. Great idea I've told the cat where my spares are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Someone i know has a small wall mounted key safe. Although wouldn't be hard to break into i guess if you really wanted to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Gentlemen, I thank you for your responses. Some have been more useful than others, but they've all greatly brightened a rainy evening - together with the very large 16 year-old Glenlivets we drank to mark my neighbour's birthday. The even larger Cragganmores we used to wash down the Glenlivet were the icing on the cake that we didn't bother having - given a choice between damaging our livers with alcohol and damaging our teeth with sugar we wisely chose the former as we'd have to pay for dental treatment. Thank you again for the fun. By the way, and I hate to say it, the Cragganmore was more pleasant than the Glenlivet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ox Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Write the location of the keys in your will. Your beneficiary will then decide to get an RFD to take them in whilst their applications are processed or for police to dispose. I doubt the police force or cps will be determined to apprehend an individual for being a beneficiary of firearms in these circumstances if they know that person is doing something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 And finally, my old FAC entitled me to shoot "anywhere the holder has lawful authority". I've always regarded this as an open certificate, only requiring me to have a landowner's permission and with no requirement to inform the police of specific details. However, the officer told me that this was not the case and that details of each of my permissions should be sent to the police for clearance before I shot over them. I await with interest my new certificate to see what form of words has been applied to it!! Surprised nobody picked up on this. I'd say the FEO was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Funny that about Keys: My Feo asked me to open cabinet to check guns, When I asked him to turn his back so he didn`t know where I hide them, He remarked it was him that issued the certificates.?.. To which I replied that the day before a Copper Had Killed his wife and two kids, TURN YOUR BACK.. Which he duely did,, And never commented again on the subject, Yer Right:: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 We need a LIKE button. this is close enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Hopefully they will return your coterminous certs open, if not another thread had same issues and David BASC commented. Edited February 8, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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