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We have two front doors, one behind the other. Each locked. Currently we have two neighbours who have each a key to each of the door, we always said it was for 'insurance reason' -- but it's quite convenient as it is... They'd still have access if we weren't there in case of emergency, but they'd have to agree with each others -- they are clearly not the 'matey' kind: good long term neighbours but not on back-slapping terms.

 

Thing is, can we tell the officer that during the interview? Is having keys to the house (NOT the cabinet) a big no-no?

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I'm assuming each neighbour has 1 key and 2 are required to enter the property. So neither has access to the property independently, and neither would have access to the cabinet keys.

 

Read the firearms act and security guidance only you can decide if your covered and then if tested in court if you were right.

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I trust both neighbours -- they have one key each, I tought this would be pretty good as far as security is concerned -- neither can get into the house by himself...

 

Thing is, I don't want to lie if the question is asked 'do anyone else have keys to the house' -- And I don't want to insult my neibours by removing the keys; you know how it is, they are both good chaps too, that'd be rude and I'd have to explain WHY, and lie a bit more if I don't want to tell them I have a gun cabinet...

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Why the issue with house keys. The way some people appear to think it seems that if you have a cabinet in the house no one other than the certificate holder can have keys to the house. So better get those other keys off the wife and not let anyone in the house unles the certificate holder is there. As long as they can't get the keys to the cabinet what's the issue. We are maybe different in Scotland and I know a few feo's and the only keys they are worried about being secure are the cabinet keys.

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In Suffolk the police encourage 'key holders' of properties and there is a system for registering it with the police.

Can't see what it has to do with your gun cabinet.

I can leave builders, friends, family, visiting guests, anyone I like in the house while I go out or am away.

Why do some guys look for problems?

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I would not even bother mentioning it. You're inviting grief where it's irrelevant.

 

When we're away, we often have friends house-sit (it's easier with feeding chickens and looking after sheep). My mother-in-law has a key for the house. The lady who occasionally grazes her horse on our fields has a key to the house (if we're stuck somewhere and can't get back). All of those are reliable, trustworthy people. None of them have access to the gun cabinet keys.

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You can never tell with FEOs. Mine wasn`t happy that when I was at work there was no one in the house and the guns would be unattended. It didn`t matter that the guns were locked up. A completely ridiculous thing to say imo.

 

If he doesn`t ask don`t volunteer the information and if he does you have two choices. Either tell him your arrangements or tell him that you don`t feel it has any relevance to you being issued an SGC as you will be the only one with access to the cabinet. If you feel he`s pressuring you then tell him you would like to discuss it with your BaSC representative first.

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We have two front doors, one behind the other. Each locked. Currently we have two neighbours who have each a key to each of the door, we always said it was for 'insurance reason' -- but it's quite convenient as it is... They'd still have access if we weren't there in case of emergency, but they'd have to agree with each others -- they are clearly not the 'matey' kind: good long term neighbours but not on back-slapping terms.

 

Thing is, can we tell the officer that during the interview? Is having keys to the house (NOT the cabinet) a big no-no?

buze, I don't know you or if that's your real picture on your profile, just a friendly bit of advise from another shooter.

It's not only shooting minded people that read this forum, the police regularly read forums from time to time so I'm told ;)

(No I'm not a policeman)

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buze, I don't know you or if that's your real picture on your profile, just a friendly bit of advise from another shooter.

It's not only shooting minded people that read this forum, the police regularly read forums from time to time so I'm told ;)

(No I'm not a policeman)[/quote

 

 

 

No we don't. 😎

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I think some people need to broaden their perspective a bit. There is no reason for the OP's situation to be a problem. Consider a being certificate holder in a few different scenarios. Are you married? Does your partner have a key to the house? How about kids? Do you trust them to be in the house without you there? Do you rent your property? Have you ever met your landlord face to face? What about all of the people in the estate agent who have access to a key? Do you have a cleaner or a dog walker? None of these are unusual scenarios where an FEO would expect no one else to have access to the property. In every case a singular person has personal access to your house and yet the guns are still secure in a cabinet where they don't have access. Regarding the OP, he has taken a sensible precaution to minimize the risk of single person access while still enabling life to go on as needed. An FEO should have no issue with that.

 

Rick

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buze, I don't know you or if that's your real picture on your profile, just a friendly bit of advise from another shooter.

It's not only shooting minded people that read this forum, the police regularly read forums from time to time so I'm told ;)

(No I'm not a policeman)[/quote

 

 

 

No we don't.

:lol:

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We have two front doors, one behind the other. Each locked. Currently we have two neighbours who have each a key to each of the door, we always said it was for 'insurance reason' -- but it's quite convenient as it is... They'd still have access if we weren't there in case of emergency, but they'd have to agree with each others -- they are clearly not the 'matey' kind: good long term neighbours but not on back-slapping terms.

 

Thing is, can we tell the officer that during the interview? Is having keys to the house (NOT the cabinet) a big no-no?

 

 

Where on the FAC/SGC application does it ask who has all the keys to your front door?

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I think some people need to broaden their perspective a bit. There is no reason for the OP's situation to be a problem. Consider a being certificate holder in a few different scenarios. Are you married? Does your partner have a key to the house? How about kids? Do you trust them to be in the house without you there? Do you rent your property? Have you ever met your landlord face to face? What about all of the people in the estate agent who have access to a key? Do you have a cleaner or a dog walker? None of these are unusual scenarios where an FEO would expect no one else to have access to the property. In every case a singular person has personal access to your house and yet the guns are still secure in a cabinet where they don't have access. Regarding the OP, he has taken a sensible precaution to minimize the risk of single person access while still enabling life to go on as needed. An FEO should have no issue with that.

 

Rick

 

Rick

Great post, thank the Lord there are still some with sensible, real life advice.

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Get the keys off your neighbours, saying you need to make extra copies, or you are changing the locks.. If plod asks who else has keys, you can say no-one. When plod has gone, let the neighbours have the keys again. Clear conscience?

 

Irrelevant !

 

My wife, although she has SGC, does not have FAC. As such, she does not know where the keys to my rifle cabinet are kept.

 

Or is it really being said that only I should have a key to get into the house ?

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