69chris Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 at paper ill happily plink away at virtually any distance....................however, if it has eyes then so-far my .22 range has been 60/70 yards, the rifle will prob will shot out much further and still be on the money but 60/70 ish - thats where im comfy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 My son witnessed me hit a crow at 120 yds with my .22 offhand. I never did tell him I was aiming at the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I've not really tried with the .22 lr but I will now........... If I need to shoot rabbits at distance I use the trusty HMR and for 100 yds, just point the cross hairs at it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Oh please don't bring the hmr into this one too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 HMR lol thats my 400 yard weapon of choice for wolf & wart hogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 You had to go and do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Pw rifle shoot coming up, I hear an Olympic scout is coming to choose shooters for future Olympic hopefuls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Off to the Shooting Show today hopefully pick up some armour piecing rounds for my HMR to make it Cape buffalo capable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I tried my Brno at 60 yards and 15mm groups are quiet common. I've changed a few things since like scope, mounts, trigger so will try soon again esp at the pw shoot. I found eley accurate and fiocchi but Remington opened up to 1" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 No, no, no... Please don't ruin this fairytale, I was just starting to enjoy it. Honestly, I do think some re-education is in order. One yard is 36"..One foot is only 12", and there are three feet in a one yard. To be fair, there are plenty on airgunbbs that make similar claims about their 22fac air rifles, deadly out to 100 yards. Whereas in reality 60 yards is what I consider a reliable maximum and even then, in any sort of stiff breeze, forget reliable and crawl closer. But then, as already established elsewhere, I'm clearly not a very good shot. I've met people who think a foot is s yard . Idiots . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Glad at least some people have shaken the thread back to reality there is no doubt under ideal conditions and with the right rifle and ammo you can get impressive groups at a 100 yards but in truth they can't be replicated at will which of course many a round can, some do so even with a slight bit of wind. I'm always impressed how many people can either guess the distance so accurately or carry lazers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) The fact is It don't take a 3k bench gun and rests on a tunnel range, it takes good ammo that likes your barrel and a cleaning leading in routine you know. I am surprised those groups are so poor but mixing ammo brands will wreck long range accuracy and you simply cannot buy accuracy in a gun were the big factor is the factory made ammo I could shoot many thousands of rounds without ever cleaning my .22 at modest ranges like 50 /60 yards and hardly tell the difference yet I couldn't put 100 through at 100 yards and further without seeing a real difference emerge Look towards the silhouette competitions run in the States and Mexico. These are shot out to 100 yards My best group ever at 100 yards with my hunting spec .22 was 8 through very nearly the same bullet hole. This was over a decade ago using the old Lapua subs (with the rat on the box). The reason there was only eight is all I could see was one hole and I thought something was off with the kit and got a spotter to watch as I put two in the sand. There was something of a rush on the local dealers to buy some of that ammo LOL It is however a combination of the correct barrel state and the ammo (even the right batch) and total conviction in your mind that the bullet will go exactly were you aim it ( without this mental aspect you might as well not bother trying ) If you want to shoot at longer ranges select your ammo at longer ranges and experiment on at what point of re-leading / re-lube your gun will shoot best. Don't mix ammo brand or type through a conditioned barrel Just had a look for a target I shot for a shooting news article a while back to illustrate drop it was shot at three ranges consecutively but I cant locate it ( the 100 was a bit off high standard at just a tad over the inch ) but here are results shot at 100 yards all 5 shot groups not selective best just a test I kept and found when looking, it aint half bad compared to what some find though! I will have been shooting fully rested and picked the day carefully for such a test Green tag 0.56 mini mag 1.06 sk sub 0.95" velocitors 0.87 remmington 1.57" This surprised me they are normally pants in my gun -fluke? RWS 0.61 sk again 0.78 sk again 1.47 (must have shot that last one first and then done two more just to bring back my faith in these) May 2013 Yep, 'bout an inch Velocitors and mini mag wont perform so good as demonstrated here in all conditions must have avoided any transonic that day Edited February 13, 2016 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Good shot..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Pw rifle shoot coming up, I hear an Olympic scout is coming to choose shooters for future Olympic hopefuls. Ideal time to resurrect the HMR 17, 300yd, Coke Can (side on) comp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 The fact is It don't take a 3k bench gun and rests on a tunnel range, it takes good ammo that likes your barrel and a cleaning leading in routine you know. I am surprised those groups are so poor but mixing ammo brands will wreck long range accuracy and you simply cannot buy accuracy in a gun were the big factor is the factory made ammo I could shoot many thousands of rounds without ever cleaning my .22 at modest ranges like 50 /60 yards and hardly tell the difference yet I couldn't put 100 through at 100 yards and further without seeing a real difference emerge Look towards the silhouette competitions run in the States and Mexico. These are shot out to 100 yards My best group ever at 100 yards with my hunting spec .22 was 8 through very nearly the same bullet hole. This was over a decade ago using the old Lapua subs (with the rat on the box). The reason there was only eight is all I could see was one hole and I thought something was off with the kit and got a spotter to watch as I put two in the sand. There was something of a rush on the local dealers to buy some of that ammo LOL It is however a combination of the correct barrel state and the ammo (even the right batch) and total conviction in your mind that the bullet will go exactly were you aim it ( without this mental aspect you might as well not bother trying ) If you want to shoot at longer ranges select your ammo at longer ranges and experiment on at what point of re-leading / re-lube your gun will shoot best. Don't mix ammo brand or type through a conditioned barrel Just had a look for a target I shot for a shooting news article a while back to illustrate drop it was shot at three ranges consecutively but I cant locate it ( the 100 was a bit off high standard at just a tad over the inch ) but here are results shot at 100 yards all 5 shot groups not selective best just a test I kept and found when looking, it aint half bad compared to what some find though! I will have been shooting fully rested and picked the day carefully for such a test Green tag 0.56 mini mag 1.06 sk sub 0.95" velocitors 0.87 remmington 1.57" This surprised me they are normally pants in my gun -fluke? RWS 0.61 sk again 0.78 sk again 1.47 (must have shot that last one first and then done two more just to bring back my faith in these) May 2013 Yep, 'bout an inch Velocitors and mini mag wont perform so good as demonstrated here in all conditions must have avoided any transonic that day A very interesting read Kent certifying what the humble .22 can do, but there will be many closing thier eyes to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 That's interesting data Kent (and excellent shooting) "I am surprised those groups are so poor but mixing ammo brands will wreck long range accuracy and you simply cannot buy accuracy in a gun were the big factor is the factory made ammo" In the comprehensive ammunition test I linked to earlier, the barrel was cleaned after each type of ammunition, then 50 rounds were fired with the next type before the 5x5 shot test groups were shot. Can you outline the procedure you used to produce those excellent measured groups? As you were shooting outside, presumably the groups were all shot in the same session, did you clean and season the barrel then just shoot one 5 shot group, then repeat the regime for the next type? I have nothing against the humble .22lr - I've shot them competitively and for fun for over 50 years but in my experience, while you can shoot some excellent groups at 100 yards, the ammunition, even top notch match ammunition is not that consistent. Although not 100 yards, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. (68 yards) Two of these groups are really quite pleasing, less than .4" but the others just par for the course, not bad, about what I expected. This was shot with my usual hunting rig, Sako Finnfire, Eley sub Hp's Bi-pod off the ground. We've all got phone cameras now so lets see some actual photos - I would suggest four x five shot groups on a single sheet of A4 paper at a range finder verified range. (and not disregarding the one from the cold barrel or the one you pulled . Who's up for the challenge - Lets see some of these consistent sub 1moa groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I don't doubt there will be doubters it's PW after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Just like there will be many tall stories, it is pw after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 shame there ain't more rifle meets like catton but at different areas so more can go and show what they can or can't do, i would be willing to take half a dozen locals on one of my permissions for a bit of plinking if anyone local ish wan't to come along Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 About 3/4" with eley sub's indoors. Winchester sub's about 1 1/2" indoors. Never tried in the breeze outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Sorry I just picked them out the book. There would have been a proper clean and at least a dozen re- lube / lead shots with each batch though as most groups are on target I must have zeroed each in or the faster would have been higher I have a fixed 50 yards range at home and facilities to shoot to over 1000 yards over land to the side of my yard The groups will have been shot on a decent day I don't mean no wind it looks like a light nil value to me ( which is easier for a no call shot) As you say the ammo is the limiter that's why I was amazed by the remmington Spend 10k on the gun and still the ammo and knowing the conditioning your barrel needs are the limiter Somewhere after 50-60 rounds and things will drop off usually. Sometimes using the same sk I choose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Just like there will be many tall stories, it is pw after all. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Spend 10k on the gun and still the ammo and knowing the conditioning your barrel needs are the limiter Thanks Kent - I agree. .22lr ammunition is pretty mediocre in general. Even at the highest levels, using premium (expensive) ammunition you can't guarantee consistent results. If you want to compete at the top level you need to take your rifle to Eley and they will test it to see which of their current stock shoot best in your rifle. Once you have found the round that works, you buy a large batch of that particular lot number. It might all be Eley Tenex - but only that particular batch shoots well in your rifle. When tuning centrefire loads, you tailor the round to suit the rifle, you can spend as much time and effort as you want to screw the very best out of your rifle. With the .22lr you get what you're given. Yes, it's reasonably cheap, yes it's great fun, yes, it's great for pest control but accuracy is not it's strong point, especially when talking about HP hunting or bulk plinking ammunition.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 It's surprising it's as good as it is but then again they can invest good money in the stuff that makes it as it's so popular all over the world Yes a family friend was about as good as it gets ( I am not a name dropper though)and used to go to Germany just testing ammo and buying in bulk numbers that mere hunting folk like me just couldn't get to keep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 This video is what made me ask, I was just impressed with the eley subs group and its a pretty standard setup being used and not wind free ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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