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AS Fenboy says Express are far from the best steel shell. Having use several loads none performed well and the supreme were pretty awful not killing a single bird when used on pigeons , every thing was wounded. For flight pond 4s or 3s will be ideal as its surprising how many shots end up being in the 40 yard + bracket. Perhaps the best steel shells available now are Gamebore 32 gr Super Steel or 36 gr mammoths , RC are pretty good as are Eley 2 3\4 inch Vip HP steel. If you can get them Remmington or Winchesters are great , though better for flight line shooting than flight pond shooting as are Eley 3 inch Lightnings.

 

Express do some great lead loads , but I would not give a than you for their steel loads.

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Number 4 steel improved clylinder and a fast 28 grm load sounds like it will be ideal

Likely or not you won't get hold of them so just pick a heavier load

At 25 yards you don't want to ruin them for the table dead is dead

 

Saying that I have shot teal with 36 grm 2 before now on flashes because I wasn't expecting to shoot like that but you will ruin some

Number 4 steel improved clylinder and a fast 28 grm load sounds like it will be ideal

Likely or not you won't get hold of them so just pick a heavier load

At 25 yards you don't want to ruin them for the table dead is dead

 

Saying that I have shot teal with 36 grm 2 before now on flashes because I wasn't expecting to shoot like that but you will ruin some

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Number 4 steel improved clylinder and a fast 28 grm load sounds like it will be ideal

Likely or not you won't get hold of them so just pick a heavier load

At 25 yards you don't want to ruin them for the table dead is dead

 

Saying that I have shot teal with 36 grm 2 before now on flashes because I wasn't expecting to shoot like that but you will ruin some

Number 4 steel improved clylinder and a fast 28 grm load sounds like it will be ideal

Likely or not you won't get hold of them so just pick a heavier load

At 25 yards you don't want to ruin them for the table dead is dead

 

Saying that I have shot teal with 36 grm 2 before now on flashes because I wasn't expecting to shoot like that but you will ruin some

 

you see,

this is where i slightly agree and disagree,

 

you are never in a million years going to buy a steel 28 gram #4. no-one is going to make and sell that commercial.

no-one is going to make a fast load unless its an american import. its because of the cip.

so i agree with the heavier load, more shot is more shot, and the distiction between steel 4-3-2 is noticable because the shotsizing is lead grade, but if you compare steel 4-3-2, is like looking at lead 7, 6.5,6.

 

out of all the shells you say, i have to admit 36g #2 in steel, even at a 1400fps guess is a fantastic compromise, to not ott or unobtanium.

whats not to like, lots of shot and big enough for 40yards.

 

if you wanted OTT loads then its tungsten(18-15) in a #6, or 7 at 1400fps.

 

steel is steel !

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you see,

this is where i slightly agree and disagree,

 

you are never in a million years going to buy a steel 28 gram #4. no-one is going to make and sell that commercial.

no-one is going to make a fast load unless its an american import. its because of the cip.

so i agree with the heavier load, more shot is more shot, and the distiction between steel 4-3-2 is noticable because the shotsizing is lead grade, but if you compare steel 4-3-2, is like looking at lead 7, 6.5,6.

 

out of all the shells you say, i have to admit 36g #2 in steel, even at a 1400fps guess is a fantastic compromise, to not ott or unobtanium.

whats not to like, lots of shot and big enough for 40yards.

 

if you wanted OTT loads then its tungsten(18-15) in a #6, or 7 at 1400fps.

 

steel is steel !

Yet they do, you just got to know who gets them in had 24 grm also

 

Cip nah

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32g of 4s gamebore, Rio, RC, avoid those lyalvale like the plaque, I shot them at pigeons once, you'd not be wrong in thinking they were filled with rice and not steel shot!

Agreed, I hit a squirrel twice at about 25 yards and knocked it sideways. It got up and ran off. I've shot some squirrels in my time and never had that before or since and never used those carts since either.

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Lyvale hp steel or just fine killed large duck and Canada with them Lower pressure Lyvale I have also used need restraint but no reason to use them with that in mind

I think this was a whisper that got blown out of all proportion because someone got a very low chrono reading once over

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My experance has been in the field with three of their steel cartridges, Express HP Lydale steel 3 inch, 2 3\4 inch 32 gr loads and the supream loads.They were so bad for wildfowl we decided to use the Supream on pigeons, a mate and i shot a box at woodies over decoys , never cleanly killed a bird , but we did wing nine and several more went away leaving a cloud of feathers behind. Moist of the shots were in the 20-30 yard bracket. They were worse than usless shells. Its strange because their lead shells are quite good. Not a whisper , but pratical experance .

 

At one time they were the only steel shells I could get and I found they were even worse in very low temperatures. Mind you that can be a problem with several UK loaded steel shells. By low temperatures I mean below -10C.

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My experance has been in the field with three of their steel cartridges, Express HP Lydale steel 3 inch, 2 3\4 inch 32 gr loads and the supream loads.They were so bad for wildfowl we decided to use the Supream on pigeons, a mate and i shot a box at woodies over decoys , never cleanly killed a bird , but we did wing nine and several more went away leaving a cloud of feathers behind. Moist of the shots were in the 20-30 yard bracket. They were worse than usless shells. Its strange because their lead shells are quite good. Not a whisper , but pratical experance .

 

At one time they were the only steel shells I could get and I found they were even worse in very low temperatures. Mind you that can be a problem with several UK loaded steel shells. By low temperatures I mean below -10C.

I used the 4s on clays and stationary targets. I could have walked to the target faster.

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I use 5's Lydale steel they do the job for me used them for nearly to duck session never let me down.

Well it confuses the heck out of me and my experience with them. I don't buy them out of choice but I just haven't had an issue with the std pressure under restricted use and the hp under anything gamebore mammoth can do pretty much

I don't think you can better gamebore as a British made shell though

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