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The vast % of labs bred will not be tested on both sides.

 

Quite normal for somone who is only taking 1 litter of a decent working bitch not to have her hips or eyes done, often studs are thou depending how well used he is.

 

Depending how well u know the breeder or word of mouth but it would not put me of a pup if they are decent working lines. Possibly the breeder has had that bitch's line for generations and never had any problems, will depend how hard it is worked too. If working hard/plenty of days and lasting for years as previous dams have is there really a problem.

 

None of my labs have been hip tested or there dams or in some cases sires too. In all my years with labs/beating/picking up never heard of a locally bred dog to have any hip problems, or any working labfor that matter. Possibly just been very lucky thou

 

Just got to go on judgement, why are they breeding? Is bitch as good as he claims? So helps if u know them or know folk that do

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The vast % of labs bred will not be tested on both sides.

 

Quite normal for somone who is only taking 1 litter of a decent working bitch not to have her hips or eyes done, often studs are thou depending how well used he is.

 

Depending how well u know the breeder or word of mouth but it would not put me of a pup if they are decent working lines. Possibly the breeder has had that bitch's line for generations and never had any problems, will depend how hard it is worked too. If working hard/plenty of days and lasting for years as previous dams have is there really a problem.

 

None of my labs have been hip tested or there dams or in some cases sires too. In all my years with labs/beating/picking up never heard of a locally bred dog to have any hip problems, or any working labfor that matter. Possibly just been very lucky thou

 

Just got to go on judgement, why are they breeding? Is bitch as good as he claims? So helps if u know them or know folk that do

To be fair being in Scotland people are probably too tight to pay for testing. Yes they are only working dogs but if a normal owner gets one with dysplasia they will have a crippled and very expensive to treat from an early age. Labs it's been so common there is no reason to take the chance

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I would want at least one parent to be clear for PRA, CNM, EIC and SD2 IF I had no plans to breed from my pup. If I did I would want to know both parents' status.

Hips and elbows plus current eye certificates would be a must either way for me. But there again perhaps I'm a bit pedantic lol

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To be fair being in Scotland people are probably too tight to pay for testing. Yes they are only working dogs but if a normal owner gets one with dysplasia they will have a crippled and very expensive to treat from an early age. Labs it's been so common there is no reason to take the chance

 

How many boys on the beating line that u know and breed 1 litter off a bitch get it hip/elbow scored plus eye tested never mind genetic testing done?

My mate ended up driving down to southern eng to find a lab pup all health tested on both sides as couldnae find any anywhere. I reccommended him a pup bred by a lad i know had bitch's line in family for 8 gens and does a lot of days working them usually work up into doube figures

 

I'd imagine most wildfowling club bred dogs will be similar too, just breeding decent healthy dogs, and ur relying on them not to bred if any history/sign of problems

 

 

I've honestly never ever heard of anyone owning/or mate of mate type thing, with a lab having displsia, 1 of the shoots i go to usually has about 15 labs in the beating line, plus god knows how many in picking up line been going there 30yrs, go to plenty other shoots with some FT labs boys, even they don't insist on complete heallth checks for there working dogs (different story for their FT potentials).

Know a few grouse keepers get all there dogs from a rescue centre and are fine health wise.

 

It depends wot u want, u pay ur money u take ur chance. They're are no guarantees even with 100% health tested dogs

 

The biggest problem now is too many folk breeding for cash and pups no longer staying local, in old days most pups would go round local estates beating lines and if there was any problems/health issues it would soon get back to breeder/related pups owners so none of those pups are bred from

 

 

Is it not becoming far more common to hip test alsorts of breeds now?

Have heard of gwp's being done (when their biggest prblem is epilepsy) and even springers

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I think the health tests are getting crazy now, the age they get done at isn't really a very good indicator of whether or not they have good hips or elbows. Most are done at just over one, as soon as the BVA will accept it as they have to be 12 months or over.

 

A dog that could get tested at 3-4 years of age could have had very good elbows at 12 months old, then take in to account jumping fences, four years worth of running around working, all that wear and tear and they could fail, which to me isn't a true indicator of bad elbows. Hips aren't so bad for wear and tear.

 

Same as with the eyes, if you keep testing the dog all it's life, eventually it will fail, then what, all the offspring it has had would be parented by a failed eye test dog?

 

For me personally, as long as the dogs had single figure hips, a clear eye test at some point, not a current failed one, that would do me.

 

Elbows is a relatively recent test for labs etc It wouldn't worry me getting a pup from a dog that hadn't had it's elbows tested, how did we all manage before these tests hey, no wonder the prices on dogs are CRAZY.

 

On the other hand, I do believe we need to be looking after the gene pools of all breeds and only breeding for good dogs and not ending up like the stuff I see on crufts! :no:

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i think i have found a potential litter, is there anyone that understands hip scores etc and pedigree that can cast an eye over the sire and dam details and see if there is anything amiss. the details look ok to me.

 

Hip scores start off from 0 and go up to 54. 54 being bad, single figures being best. Elbows go from 0-3 3 being bad, I would expect 0-0 elbows though.

 

What are the sire and dams names, I have MyKC I can log in and check the health testing done on those dogs if you like.

 

PM them if you don't want to post here.

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Hip scores start off from 0 and go up to 54. 54 being bad, single figures being best. Elbows go from 0-3 3 being bad, I would expect 0-0 elbows though.

 

What are the sire and dams names, I have MyKC I can log in and check the health testing done on those dogs if you like.

 

PM them if you don't want to post here.

 

thanks mate, bigbird has kindly offered to take a look at them so i am ok.

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