TONY R Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Mate Ryan has a 3 nearly 4 year old Labrador dog, works quite well strong retriever steady works to hand signals its ok as a working retriever. Now all the abbove is with a few exeptions, one thing is it works ok once its acctualy there and shooting. Getting it to the shooting area is a bit of a problem, load it into a car with another dog it gets in but is openly agressive to the other doig regardless of sex or breed. It as never been physical up untill today, and today he took it a step further and bit Ryans wire haired pointer, which erupted into a battle with a few nip marks in both dogs. So far we have only got in the car not gone anywhere. Typicaly on arival at the shooting the dog gets out but still seems to want to hang around the truck, it needs coinstant comands to remain at heal or it will break and set off back for the truck soon as ryans concentration is off him. Once at the shooting area he is fidgety for a few mins, but soon settles down and works fine in control no problems. Problems start upon returning to the car, and seems to be worse if there are other dogs or a dog around, but can be unsteady when on its own too. On the walk out at first its ok, but closaser it gets to the car the more it wants to be off, it breaks for home and because of this Ryan puts him on a lead its that unsteady on going back to the cars. The recent agression seems to have been started by the passing away of Ryans old Chespeke bay who was very much top dog, no real battles anywhere else but the car aggression is getting worying. Any ideas what to do here i have never seen a dog behave like this ever. Its in my interests to try help him with this dog as we shoot together a lot and if i am in his truck i dont want any of my dogs bitten by this dog. Would castration help do you think, not so much with the car obsession but the agression. HELP>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 It's lucky it's still up to fighting taking on the pointer. Best option would be to put it in a cage while in the truck and stop any of that. Otherwise if it's anxiety with cars then the more it travels the better, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Maybe back to puppy style training and give the dog some food or a treat when he gets in the car so it`s a positive experience for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Put the dog in a cage in the car. Feed it morning and night in the cage and give it treats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgun Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 I Agree with put it in a cage both to be quite frank and put a ply board devider between both,it's not a good idea having two dogs in a confined space like the car boot especially if there's a bit of pecking order going on,it only takes one to kick off and things can get a bit messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 IMO castration will make bog all difference to a dog of that age. Does it jump in happily? What's it like when travelling alone? Hard to gauge I know if it's in a pickup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Oh and what is the dog like with the pointer in the kennel/home environment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 As far as i know none of the dogs fight ever until yesterday, Ryan has four dogs in total now all travel together in the back of the LWB teranno no trouble with them and they kenel together again no trouble. The Labrador took it from passive aggression been going on ages, to full on atack on the wire hair yesterday. Let me try and outline how this dog is temperement wise best as i can. When the dogs leave the run to get in the truck, the lab as to be out first, soon as the wire tries to leave the run the lab turns faces the wire and dose not acctualy bit him but charges him tries to block him. then it jumps in the truck spins around and turns to face the dogs as they get in, pays no attention to the springer or the older labrador 6 years old. But soon as the wire jumps in the young labrador gets very close to the pointer softly growling. If you sit on the back with the dogs the low growling subsides, and some times the door can shut with no comotion, but i have seen more scermishes at the point the door is closed than i have quiet times. OK i am not there the whole time but i amn there three or four times a week to see this fiassco to believe its common place for a scermish. Never seen a labrador like him to be honest, i had a nasty labrador about ten years ago, bbut he was placid as anything 99% of the time, but this thing its more like a jack russel or some other such dog. Even stranger i could bring it to one of your shoots and i swear you would see no wrong in it, untill it was time to get into or go back to the car, then it will just get the urge to run back and you struggle to stop it. When you get back its pacing around the car hot to get in, open the door its in and rounding up on any other dog thats about to get in with it. Not attacking other dogs but the wire hair so far, and Rys scared it might make the wire aggressive or it mifgt turn and open up the Labrador like a tin, which i honestly think it could do if some thing is not done here. You can sit the Labrador up load the others then call him in and he still behaves intimidating mainly to the Wire. Whats with this got to be first to the truck too. whats all that about. t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Is it just the one car he's doing this in? Sound territorial in some ways, a bad experience in others. I'd also be looking at the process of it initially getting in the vehicle, was the pointer already there, was it brought in after and seen as a challenge? Castration isn't going to do anyone but the vet a favour..... I'd try further testing to further analyse the root problem by watching him approaching other 'strange vehicles' Edited April 22, 2016 by wj939 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Does he have all boy dogs? Any bitches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Does he chastise the dog for its behaviour? Sounds like a cage is your best bet for the time being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Any car acts like it in any car not just owwners terrano. All dogs bigbird , and NO wj 939 historicaly he has checked issues just verbaly, but yesterday we saw him physicaly intervene. But thats the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Do you ever carry game in the back as that usually kicks off stuff like this? Personally I would load the other dog first all the time and stop this one getting in first. It sounds like it is not anxiety more it wants to go but without the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Any car acts like it in any car not just owwners terrano. All dogs bigbird , and NO wj 939 historicaly he has checked issues just verbaly, but yesterday we saw him physicaly intervene. But thats the first time. In this case I'd say that's no bad thing. It's not my own personal style for training, but it would be no bad thing for Ryan to re-establish he's the pack leader. the lab is making a few too many decisions about who's in charge and it could get worse. He needs to practise loading the dogs into the car, and be ready to correct the behaviour. It's a bit like postman aggression, you need to be correcting at the right time not after it kicks off- but with the best will in the world, doing it when your leaving to go shooting won't be frequent enough. Repeat repeat repeat until he gets in ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 What about this bolt holing back to the car all the time, whats all that about. it stop like it hit a brick wall, any other time but when going back to the car, its like the car has more draw on the dog than the lads comands do. Its obsessive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgun Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 What about this bolt holing back to the car all the time, whats all that about. it stop like it hit a brick wall, any other time but when going back to the car, its like the car has more draw on the dog than the lads comands do. Its obsessive. Simple answer He knows He's off home could be that when He was paired up with your mates other dog that was the norm or even feed time if he gets fed straight away when He get back,could be a number of things though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 The dynamic has changed post chesapeake. Don't let the dogs be able to contact each other in the truck back by caging them or just taking one. Some dogs have funny rules about personal space and ownership of it. Often who is in first seems to matter seen this a lot with hounds dominant dog takes offence at a subordinate being in the trailer first. Difficult you have to work through what works lack of nuts won't change anything other than ability to breed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted April 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Was thinking about this today, do you think with the chespeke being such an hardcase ruled with a rod of iron, this has left the whole pack frightened, and if the chespeke had been less rough things could have been much calmer when he went. Still confused by the running back to the car part, it happens even when the Labrdor is on its own, but it dose look to have less of a pull on him when there are no other dogs about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I don't know the three in question but it sounds like the ches was leader Dogs like being led in general it creates stress when they are not. If the ches wasn't lead my a human it wouldn't have been truly happy and stress free You understand it's like being given a job with responsibility at work you are totally unsuited to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I don't know the three in question but it sounds like the ches was leader Dogs like being led in general it creates stress when they are not. If the ches wasn't lead my a human it wouldn't have been truly happy and stress free You understand it's like being given a job with responsibility at work you are totally unsuited to Got you.... Today Ry loaded the dogs up with the Young Labrador on a lead right out the run, The Wire Haired was intimidating the Labrador while on the lead all the way to the truck, Ry sat up the Wire loaded the Labrador teathered him to the spoke of the rear head rest, loaded the others up a little grumbling from the Wire but no aggression. Drove up the drive stopped at the road got out unteathered the cLabrador no issues at all they were fine. I had my GSP in the back too so it was pretty crowded but no hastle. Might be a plan in action this one, just the first back to the bus part to break now, any ideas on this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Got you.... Today Ry loaded the dogs up with the Young Labrador on a lead right out the run, The Wire Haired was intimidating the Labrador while on the lead all the way to the truck, Ry sat up the Wire loaded the Labrador teathered him to the spoke of the rear head rest, loaded the others up a little grumbling from the Wire but no aggression. Drove up the drive stopped at the road got out unteathered the cLabrador no issues at all they were fine. I had my GSP in the back too so it was pretty crowded but no hastle. Might be a plan in action this one, just the first back to the bus part to break now, any ideas on this problem. Put him on a lead before you finish shooting. Even if it means some other dog has to do the last retrieves. Then make him walk back to the car on the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I think you have to do what works and don't do what don't work. Just don't let them get into it- if they do and the looser cannot get away it will end badly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Thought i would give an update Ryan rang me the other day said there had been an almighty ding dong with the young Labrador and the Wirehair they were not in the car but in a river splashing about, and sudenly it all kicked off and got uggly Labb started it launched itself at the wirehair and they both we nt down rollinbg about in the shalows, by the time Ryan got bown to them and into the water the wire hair had the labrador subbmerged and was shaking it violently , the wire was showing no signs of letting do it was on a mission and it was going to win one way or the other. Ry ended up in a bit of a tusstle with these two and the older lab was prancing around barking at them all. Eventualy got the wire hair off, and the Lab was motionless under watter pulled it out and it was coughing and wretching had a nasty hole just behing the leather on its nose, and blood coming from the neck area. The wire was calm at this point, and the labrador got up Ryan put it on a lead and they went back to the car. Aparently whatever happened there as thrown a switch some where and turned off this Lab bradors aggression, Its litteraly a different dog, i have been out with him since and i swear you could never tell there was an issue with them. One other thing i will say is Ryan bought a Transit conect to give them a better bigger space to travel in and as he wanted 0one for fowling anyway seemed like a good time for another van. Not sure the van did much here but it may of contributed a little i supose, new car bigger space perhaps not sure. Must say i never seen aggression in a labrador like this one, i wanted it to sire a litter get a pup perhaps off it but think i will pass now. But at the moment its as good as gold. Sounded a nadstyy fight to me but alls well that ends well as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Sounds like he's realised his place in the pack. Wonder if he will challenge again as the pointer gets older and fades.... Interesting to see what happens over a retrieve between the pair, possessiveness might kick it off again. Good luck to him, no one wants their dogs punching holes in each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Fighting for dominance. A collie of a friends tried it on with my big lad (German shepherd) as they were both dominant dogs. There's only one way it will stop and needs sorting out by themselves. We got a new pup last year, another gsd and she tried it on with him only to get put down straight away and she's been good as gold since. In no way do I agree wit the dogs fighting however some times its the only way to stop the aggression in some cases. Glad they've stopped now anyway. And yes, I'm still top of our pecking order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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