Realistic group size

[Whitetail]

Hi guys what would you say is a realistic average group size at 50yds for a bsa r10 .177 ?

[aga man]

Sub 12ft i would say a 1 inch circle would be good enough. That is what my old falcon can achieve at 50yds.

Edited April 22, 2016 by aga man

[winnie&bezza]

3/4-1"

[Les*1066]

As above (using a rest).

[Hamster]

Hi guys what would you say is a realistic average group size at 50yds for a bsa r10 .177 ?

 

I have to reluctantly agree with 1" or slightly better but only because of the intrusion of the word average but I personally feel that a rested PCP with the right pellet and good technique ought to put 5 pellets inside a 5p size ragged hole.

[oowee]

Realistic where? In the field I would be over the moon with an inch group. Off a rest I would expect better,

[Whitetail]

I've been doing a lot of pellet testing of late and with jsb 4.53 groups are averaging 7/8 inch (5 shot) I think from what you guys are saying I'm perhaps being unrealistic expecting much better. I keep comparing it to my fac rapid that averages 1/2 inch at 50 , thanks for the replies

[figgy]

Whitetail have you tried them in 4.52 & 4.51 they may group better. Try other makes as Bis mags and H&N might group better. With the right pellet the gun is more accurate than we are.

 

Try fully resting the gun when testing pellets to remove as much of your influence as possible.

 

With little wind and rested I'd expect 3/4" or less with the odd flyer as I don't check every pellet.

[Whitetail]

Figgy I've tried most every pellet commonly available! It depends on who you talk too but I'm either a little or a lot ocd , the rifle has shot lots of good groups but if you average them out I'm at 7/8 inch. I talk to a lot of people about their rifles and invariably if groups sizes are mentioned they quote the best group rather than averaging it over several groups

[FalconFN]

If you discount the obvious fliers (and assuming no wind and a properly rested rifle) then I'd say you should be getting better groups than 7/8" at 50 yards with a regulated rifle.

 

Have you checked the shot to shot velocity with a chrono? Do you clean your barrel?

 

I haven't tested my rifle at 50 yards for a long time but I'd expect that to do sub 1" groups and it is an unregulated rifle from the mid 90s.

Edited April 22, 2016 by FalconFN

[Dekers]

I think this is probably one of my best, only 40 yards, but 8 shots and a .22, so not quite sure how relevant.

 

 

Anyway, under 1" should be possible at 50 yards in the right conditions.

[Hamster]

That's the sort of groups I would expect from the right set up even in .22, anything much bigger means at least one of the elements isn't working.

[figgy]

Have a look online for two people shooting R10's at Atherton Range young fella shooting a .177 old chap called Maggoo shooting .22 this will tell you how accurate they can be. If I can find the video I'll put the link on here.

 

Not to put a dampener on you but some barrels are better than other. I had a early 1990's BSA Goldstar and the barrel on mine was pellet on pellet accurate never cleaned it either.

I've had a Weirauch I can't get to group no matter what pellet or how I hold it.

 

Found the video took a while https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fwwsKQwOdEE

Edited April 23, 2016 by figgy

[Hamster]

 

 

This from a break barrel so a PCP should match it no problem.

[figgy]

If you watch si at a range with his BSA shooting candle wicks and match heads, some accuracy.

 

Link to Si Pittaway shooting R10 mk2 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eOLp6ea9JKw

Edited April 23, 2016 by figgy

[Whitetail]

Over a thirty shots mid charge the max variation is 9 fps , barrels been cleaned. It's been shot off a bipod and rear bag. I don't discount fliers with a centre fire , rim fire or fac air so they are included with 12ftb , if you shoot a competiton and live game you can't discount them . I'm going to wash lube and if I'm really motivated weigh a batch of pellets to see if that improves things . Thanks everyone for the advice

[Whitetail]

Just watched the si pittaway video , I haven't shot groups sub 30 yds much but at 35 yds I'm getting 1/4 groups that's why I asked about what was reasonable at 50 yds

[FalconFN]

If I get time on Monday I'll do a quick test at 45 yards and see what my unregulated, uncleaned rifle does with out of the tin pellets. I'll post the results.

[figgy]

Whitetail watch some other Vetmin hunters tv videos and you will see some good long range shooting groups.

[evo]

Just watched the si pittaway video , I haven't shot groups sub 30 yds much but at 35 yds I'm getting 1/4 groups that's why I asked about what was reasonable at 50 yds

if your getting 1/4 inch groups at 35yrds and they are opening up at 50yrds then I personally don't think you have found the right pellet for your barrel, as you said different batches will make a difference but another tip is try sizeing your pellets also

[kent]

A modern 5 pence group is possible with any quality air rifle with the best ammo

 

The spinger video shows the lack of shot to shot variation in s tuned springer. Contrary to what some think consistency is better than pcp in good ones. My laserglide has done 4 fps max over 50 shots on the chrono. My old tx Sr did only slightly more but took a few to warm the pellets literally cut upwards hole on hole top for the first 5 50 yards indoors rested

 

Airgun accuracy is more shooter and wind limited in any quality rifle today at distances to 50 yards. The skill is in Reading the wind and shooter technique and that is the limiting factor when you have the tight ammo

[FalconFN]

As promised I did a quick test this morning - although without side by side comparisons it probably isn't particularly helpful.

 

Far from ideal conditions today as it was blustery with 10-15 mph winds coming at 45 degrees, but I waited for gaps in the worst gusts and did 3 groups of 8 at 47 yards (max I can get in my garden).

 

My second to last shot on the last target was ballsed up by me so really all three groups should have been around the same (0.8").

 

I was resting on a kitchen chair (and a Jamie Oliver cook book!) using unsorted pellets AA field 4.52 straight out of the tin and a 20 year old Falcon FN19 .177 with an un-cleaned barrel.

 

With a proper gun rest and no wind I would expect to get those group considerably smaller.

 

Edited April 25, 2016 by FalconFN

[evo]

tell ya what , that falcon certainly shoots well, can I just say though, it looks like its shooting low and left :lol:

 

only jesting,

 

it would be interesting to see how tight the groups would be if you prepared them , I bet they would be one hole groups,

 

good shooting sir

 

atb Evo

[oowee]

As promised I did a quick test this morning - although without side by side comparisons it probably isn't particularly helpful.

 

Far from ideal conditions today as it was blustery with 10-15 mph winds coming at 45 degrees, but I waited for gaps in the worst gusts and did 3 groups of 8 at 47 yards (max I can get in my garden).

 

My second to last shot on the last target was ballsed up by me so really all three groups should have been around the same (0.8").

 

I was resting on a kitchen chair (and a Jamie Oliver cook book!) using unsorted pellets AA field 4.52 straight out of the tin and a 20 year old Falcon FN19 .177 with an un-cleaned barrel.

 

With a proper gun rest and no wind I would expect to get those group considerably smaller.

 

Good shooting. Really helpful to see this thx. This is the sort of thing I am getting at 50m with my 40flb Air Ranger off the same sort of rest (Rubber mat on the back of a chair). Although its zeroed at this range. If I am head shooting this sets my range limit at 50m in the field. The gun has enough energy to body shoot most stuff which gives a slightly bigger target to aim at. One day i will get round to resting it properly just to see what it will do without my interference.

[figgy]

Watch teds holdover video of the FX Revolution accuracy at 100 yards, One hole groups rested.

 

I tried my Daystate Huntsman Classic again yesterday and at 35 yards with the forend rested it was shooting some pellet on pellet and cloverleaf groups then the odd flier with totally I sorted straight from the tin pellets.

 

Put gun away then walking into kitchen saw a rook ragging the fat ball bird feeder round the garden so back out with the Huntsman and one Rook down.

 

For me if hunting anything around 3/4" is good enough for vermin and game, paper punching I want one hole.

Edited April 25, 2016 by figgy