22RF for 223/22-250CF?????

[Phil9]

On my ticket I have 17hmr that I would never get rid of,, also 22lr that I have never entertained/bought.. Recently I have got new ground to shoot over that is conciderably bigger than the land I shoot my 17 over, so I want to change my 22 for either 223 or 22-250 as a dedicated foxing rifle.. What's the best way to go about it.. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

[kyska]

Put a variation in?

[andrew f]

choose one should be plenty of factory fodder on the shelf and put in a variation

[Scully]

Pick one and apply for a 1 for 1 variation?

[toontastic]

Both do pretty much the same, choose one and stick in your variation.

[Phil9]

Brilliant thanks guys,, I no they are similar but the 22-250 has that little extra reach and more punch,, for saying sake what if my FEO declines the 22-250??? Would I have to re-apply for the 223??.

[Good shot?]

I would ring or email your FEO and have a chat, I am sure he would advise you of the best way to go about it, and what is likely to give you the best result.

[Phil9]

Iv tried getting in touch with him a few times but no answer iv left messages but no reply!!!?

[Dougy]

I cannot see any reason you can't get a 22.250. I have had land refused for 22.250 but passed for 223. After a chat with the feo, and asking why they thought that the 22.250 was too much gun they turned there decision round.

[screamingdead]

I put in for a 223 on my renewal, but I was refused as I didn't have any experience with the calibre.

Edited April 24, 2016 by screamingdead

[kent]

Now I read what you said about your hmr but consider swapping it for a cross over to small centrefire. 22 or 17 hornet up to a 222 223 and getting a 22 lr for everything else

 

Whatever you need a variation form

 

There are no extra safety conditions in respect of a 22-250 over a 222 or 223 say they both need the same backstop and backdrop and fire the same bullets even - fact is most FEOs know very little

 

.22 hornet is the smallest rifle listed for fox in the old guidance notes and the biggest for small quarry / vermin. It is far better than hmr hence my recommendation. Basically your adding 500 fps and firing a more efficient 45 g or 40 grain. 22 bullet

 

Downside? Well it's nest to learn reloading your own ammo but that is true of all centrefire if you shoot a fair bit

[superspark]

I have a .22rf and a .223cf the .223 calibre is a great foxing round and the ballistic tipped bullets an absolute blinder on the foxes

[1066]

Keep the .22lr slot and pay your £20 for the extra one. - every shooter should have at least one .22lr in the cabinet.

[Dekers]

If you really have no use for the .22 then a simple 1 for 1 variation.

 

What about sound moderators, do you have a slot for that as well, if you do, transfer that to the centrefire as well, if not and you want a moderator for the centrefire you will have to pay anyway, so you may just want to apply for a normal variation.

 

There is no cost on a 1 for 1, BUT, that is just the paperwork, there is no guarantee they will grant either rifle, you still need to put in the case for it.

[Vince Green]

I put in for a 223 on my renewal, but I was refused as I didn't have any experience with the calibre.

There is no requirement on an FAC application for experience. By that logic nobody would ever get anything. I agree they are probably being sensible because you do have to know what you are doing but they must suggest how they think you should get the experience.

 

Always go back with another question

 

to the OP I would say go for a .223 but only because the ammo is marginally more available all the time.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Vince Green

[kent]

There is grounds to refuse on lack of Experiance. I know it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing but there you go

 

Going out with an Experianced person. Doing a course are all options. In a way it's no bad thing

[ShootingEgg]

There is grounds to refuse on lack of Experiance. I know it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing but there you go

 

Going out with an Experianced person. Doing a course are all options. In a way it's no bad thing

I have just done an awareness course for cf rifle, its a day off work and i got to live fire.... Avs have abandoned the odea of mentoring as anyone can write down thatwe had been out x amount of times... Now i am able to get a cf on licence. 4 hours of chatting about the cf roubds and a bit of target shooting gets my vote as a way of getting them.

[kyska]

There is grounds to refuse on lack of Experiance. I know it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing but there you go

 

Going out with an Experianced person. Doing a course are all options. In a way it's no bad thing

Which often can put the experienced shooter at risk of falling foul of the estate rifle clause

[fortune]

There is grounds to refuse on lack of Experiance. I know it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing but there you go

Going out with an Experianced person. Doing a course are all options. In a way it's no bad thing

I have just done an awareness course for cf rifle, its a day off work and i got to live fire.... Avs have abandoned the odea of mentoring as anyone can write down thatwe had been out x amount of times... Now i am able to get a cf on licence. 4 hours of chatting about the cf roubds and a bit of target shooting gets my vote as a way of getting them.

By doing this you are making a rod for our own backs. The idea of mentoring has been abandoned because it was a total nonsense. The shooting orgs should have been on this stupid idea like a rash and been fighting for the shooter and not cosying up to firearms departments. The latest stunt is to ask for a firearms awareness course or a supervisor. By complying with the idea that this is acceptable is the thin edge of the wedge and a step to this becoming the norm. When I first applied for a 243 I was told that I had to be a member of the British deer stalking society. NOT. Then it went to having to have a DSC 1,2 ECT. As far as I can see none of the orgs are doing anything about this situation and are sitting on their rears. Still all the time that people pay the subs then why bother doing anything especially when the orgs start doing the courses and raking the cash in for something that shouldnt be even considered. Edited April 25, 2016 by fortune

[bumpy22]

By doing this you are making a rod for our own backs. The idea of mentoring has been abandoned because it was a total nonsense. The shooting orgs should have been on this stupid idea like a rash and been fighting for the shooter and not cosying up to firearms departments. The latest stunt is to ask for a firearms awareness course or a supervisor. By complying with the idea that this is acceptable is the thin edge of the wedge and a step to this becoming the norm. When I first applied for a 243 I was told that I had to be a member of the British deer stalking society. NOT. Then it went to having to have a DSC 1,2 ECT. As far as I can see none of the orgs are doing anything about this situation and are sitting on their rears. Still all the time that people pay the subs then why bother doing anything especially when the orgs start doing the courses and raking the cash in for something that shouldnt be even considered.

i totally agree with this. but the bit that worries me is joe bloggs can do a cf awareness course for a few hours and then be allowed to purchase a cf rifle. Not only this they are doing this to get into stalking. i have witnessed some very unsafe shooters with deer legal calibre and not a clue what to do with deer once its on the ground. in my eyes you can only gain knowledge from spending time in the field with experienced safe shooters. i know the whole mentoring was not working but surely there has to be a better way of showing knowledge gained and safe rifle handling than a few hours on a course

[Vince Green]

I would like to see properly recognised and regulated courses for shooting same as for motorcycle training, diving and RYA sailing qualifications. With differing levels to climb.

 

Not a bad thing in my opinion.

[Scully]

I would like to see properly recognised and regulated courses for shooting same as for motorcycle training, diving and RYA sailing qualifications. With differing levels to climb.

 

Not a bad thing in my opinion.

 

Why?

[screamingdead]

There is grounds to refuse on lack of Experiance. I know it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing but there you go

 

Going out with an Experianced person. Doing a course are all options. In a way it's no bad thing

My only option was to go out with an experienced shooter and take some shots. I was told that range experience didn't count. Unfortunately I don't know anyone with a 223 so I won't be able to move up to a center fire.

 

On the other hand, I got my hmr conditioned for fox, but that doesn't help at the distances I wanted to shoot.

 

It's a funny old game, a friend of mine got a 308 on his first application - I guess it's down to the feo on the day.

[fortune]

I would like to see properly recognised and regulated courses for shooting same as for motorcycle training, diving and RYA sailing qualifications. With differing levels to climb.

 

Not a bad thing in my opinion.

Why would you like to see them? there is no requirement in law and by advocating this sort of thing you are making a rod for every shooter to be beaten with.

 

My only option was to go out with an experienced shooter and take some shots. I was told that range experience didn't count. Unfortunately I don't know anyone with a 223 so I won't be able to move up to a center fire.

 

- I guess it's down to the feo on the day.

No it isn't. if you are a member of an org get on to them to take it up with the firearms manager. this is the sort of random nonsense that the feos come out with. Don.t accept this. Challenge the firearms manager at every opportunity or else this will creep in

[kent]

Which often can put the experienced shooter at risk of falling foul of the estate rifle clause

They don't have to actually shot the gun . I have done this quite a lot. Getting guys out on the lamp is perhaps better than three years of range work were a shot has never needed to be assessed