kody Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Do anyone use one around 20flbs how do you rate them and what shot count would you get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) I have not used one but everything I have concluded tells me it is of little benefit having .177 fac over .22 fac. .177 has a lower shot count compared to .22 in all pcps', less accuracy due to velocity increase,and over penetration being three reasons. Most beneficial to have .22 in fac up to 30-32 ft/lbs, giving much flatter .22 trajectory (not too dissimilar to .177 at 20ft/lbs) good accuracy and more hitting power than .177. Plus .22 is well known to be a mans calibre of course. But what do I know. I feel sure others may differ in their oviews as is often the case when discussing opinions and experiences. Edited May 10, 2016 by Good shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 It kills like any other calibre. I use it for squirrels. That said I have both 20+22 cal fac in the cabinet too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 177 is ideal at 12 ft lbs but for FAC I would suggest 20 or 22 cal. Theoben used to prefer the former, flatter shooting and in skilled hands capable of some very long ( for a non powder rife) kills on pigeons. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitetail Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I had a fac rapid in .177 running at between 20-25 ft ibs and to be honest it wasn't a patch on a .20 ( 27 ft ibs) or .22 (30 ft ibs) it did shoot very flat but didn't seem to kill as well as the larger calibers . Years back I had a hw80 shooting h&n silhouettes at 14ft ibs and for me that worked well , I personally wouldn't get a fac .177 there's better options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I had a fac rapid in .177 running at between 20-25 ft ibs and to be honest it wasn't a patch on a .20 ( 27 ft ibs) or .22 (30 ft ibs) it did shoot very flat but didn't seem to kill as well as the larger calibers . Years back I had a hw80 shooting h&n silhouettes at 14ft ibs and for me that worked well , I personally wouldn't get a fac .177 there's better options I think my earlier post could be misinterpreted, Theoben preferred 20 Cal over 22 cal at FAC power levels, but the issue with 20s at the time was getting quality pellets. A A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Do anyone use one around 20flbs how do you rate them and what shot count would you get Besides the shot count have you considered the potential of over penetration? Maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think my earlier post could be misinterpreted, Theoben preferred 20 Cal over 22 cal at FAC power levels, but the issue with 20s at the time was getting quality pellets. A A Has anything changed now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 A lower powered fac 177 was useful in springers because it went flatter further but with pcp easy doubling spring fac while remaining pleasant and easy you shoot it no longer has a place. Once you go near full speed in a 177 your dealing with the transonic zone and this in itself creates issues Infact heavier 22 pellets or even 25 are a better route to travel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitetail Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think my earlier post could be misinterpreted, Theoben preferred 20 Cal over 22 cal at FAC power levels, but the issue with 20s at the time was getting quality pellets. A A it was Ben Taylor's enthusiasm for the .20 that made me buy one 20+ years ago , I still have the same rifle albeit regulated now and on its third barrel. It was Hobson's choice with pellets in that only premiers shot well at 900 fps + but they are still my pellet of choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitetail Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think Kent is right in saying that 177 you have the problem of going trans sonic ,my rapid was unregulated and had quite a power curve . if I ran it to hot it would shoot good groups at the beginning and end of the charge but often times mid charge shoot all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted May 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Besides the shot count have you considered the potential of over penetration? Maybe? Was thinking of head shots only on rabbits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitetail Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Was thinking of head shots only on rabbitsi think for head shooting you would be fine , I got on well with a 177 fac for that it was body shots on pigeons/crows that I struggled compared to .20/.22 I even tried dai sung 15 grain and they were no better . I tried one and it wasn't for me but if you just shooting rabbits give it a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Besides the shot count have you considered the potential of over penetration? Maybe? What is the problem with over penetration if the pellet goes in the right place? If it goes clean through the brain or heat/lungs, then bunny/squirrel/pigeon/etc. is dead regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Exactly.dead is dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 I shot a rabbit tonight with my HMR. The shot was low on its head and never killed it outright, I had to go and finish the job off. With an airgun this scenario is far more likely so you want a pellet with as much punch, and so room for error as possible, and that ain't 177. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 I shot a rabbit tonight with my HMR. The shot was low on its head and never killed it outright, I had to go and finish the job off. With an airgun this scenario is far more likely so you want a pellet with as much punch, and so room for error as possible, and that ain't 177. Not good, id have thought the hmr would have killed it via impact regardless where on the lower head? They do make a mess as I've found out. Personally if fac id go 30ftlbs .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 The higher power you go with air the bigger and heavier the pellet ends up. In the end you end up ditching the skirted pellet altogether 177 will always rein supreme at ft and the like as it has five yards trajectory gain over a 22. This is at 12 ft lb! 55 yard 40 mm targets are more a formality with a 30 ft lb plus 22 After that point fac air becomes an enthusiasts toy the 22 lr and other rimfire rifles take over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 What is the problem with over penetration if the pellet goes in the right place? If it goes clean through the brain or heat/lungs, then bunny/squirrel/pigeon/etc. is dead regardless. Don't intend to expand on this but not so in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Fac go for .25 at 950 fps it will be flat enough and hit like a hammer,watch teds holdover and see the ranges he uses one at and how it kills qaurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbeast Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 I had a hatsan running at 20fpe using 10.4gr jsb's. I enjoyed it for its intended purpose. To be honest, if I lived in the UK and had to get a licence for it I would go .2 or .25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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