la bala Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Patching a few bits to get through the test this time, when your going to do it properly latter, is going to be expensive for what you are getting done. Gas welding would be your bbest option for doing a half decent job, it wont need as much prep grinding away any already thin metal, and if the welder is experienced he will have a better chance with oxy acet of not blowing away too much of what’s there. With respect bud, You say (wont need as much prep grinding away already thin metal) if its thin it wants cutting out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 With respect bud, You say (wont need as much prep grinding away already thin metal) if its thin it wants cutting out Agreed in principal, but with gas once you get experienced you can weld with what is there up to a point, without removing any more of the metal tan is necessary. With Mig they need decent metal and you end up with a pretty big old hole to repair in many cases. With gas its wire brush off the loose and cut the patch and start welding you can see the oxygen sparkling from the poor metal and then move the heat onto the new steel to fill the pool ruining in rod if it starts to spark again or lift the flame before it blows. Its making do with what’s there and its surprising what you can weld when you get experienced. Gas is not without its draw backs heat is annoying and you have to constantly be aware of this. If you start chopping out everything thats a bit rough in this case he may as well set too now and tear the thing down and replace whats gone now, but i dont think that is his plan at the moment, and i think gas with an old hand at using it will repair what is there with the minimum of fuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Yes mate, i also can gas weld. But even if welding a patch for an M O T, i believe in cutting the bad out and grafting new metal in, no point in quick fix when a proper job may take another hour, but each to there own methods. ATB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Tig is better on very thin steel sheet. Much less heat distortion than gas welding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Yes mate, i also can gas weld. But even if welding a patch for an M O T, i believe in cutting the bad out and grafting new metal in, no point in quick fix when a proper job may take another hour, but each to there own methods. AT Not advocating an oxidised welded bodge here, just minimising work on a panel that by the sounds of it has corrosion, Mig will need to be super clean and right back to full thickness steel, with gas you can manage with metal that if prepared for mig welding would probably render too thin to weld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) If you're struggling I've got a mate who's good with VWs in Sandbach. If you pm me I'll give you his number. Edited May 16, 2016 by BrowningB525 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Not advocating an oxidised welded bodge here, just minimising work on a panel that by the sounds of it has corrosion, Mig will need to be super clean and right back to full thickness steel, with gas you can manage with metal that if prepared for mig welding would probably render too thin to weld. When Migs first came out i was talking to a guy who was doing some gas welding on a car, I asked the guy why he didnt get a Mig, His reply was I can weld rust with this. Like I said, each to there own methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Tig is better on very thin steel sheet. Much less heat distortion than gas welding. Tig distorts horribly due to the slow travel speed. It also has a real dislike of rust and contaminates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted May 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Hi thanks for all your replies, the floor is pretty solid except for these few patches, as said I will do full new floors myself in a couple of years. Browning thanks for the tip I will pm you, Sandbach is only @40 mins from here, oddly enough there is a classic vw specialist @ 4oo yds across a field from me but he is fully booked for the next 7/8 months, his welding guy is absolutely run off his feet, went down today and he was welding new floors in a 67 beetle. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) Tig distorts horribly due to the slow travel speed. It also has a real dislike of rust and contaminates.Are you saying tig welding distorts more than gas? And that its slower?If so you need to get someone to show you how to do it correctly. Edited May 16, 2016 by bornfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) I was talking about doing a job on the the car that lasted, much as it seems is La-Bala.. If it contained any rust what so ever it got Cut out,That car will last for many years yet.. I do not believe in bodge,it doesn't work.. A Good dropped lip on both pieces,makes it like new,seam sealed,and under seal sprayed on,, you cannot beat a good job.. But still would not weld another Beetle.... Damn my Memory,,,, I should have said JOGGLER type lips... Edited May 16, 2016 by subsonicnat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) Are you saying tig welding distorts more than gas? And that its slower? If so you need to get someone to show you how to do it correctly. I haven't done oxy fuel science my apprentiship in the 80s - I use tig mig mma every week. Tig is not a great choice for distortion or anything much over clean shiny metal On car bodywork I just wouldn't employ the process unless it was alloy or stainless parts that needed to look great Welding a bug? Nope no way Edited May 16, 2016 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 My lad had his out at the weekend, fully rebuilt from the ground up. Get it done and enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 I haven't done oxy fuel science my apprentiship in the 80s - I use tig mig mma every week. Tig is not a great choice for distortion or anything much over clean shiny metal On car bodywork I just wouldn't employ the process unless it was alloy or stainless parts that needed to look great Welding a bug? Nope no way ME neither . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) My lad had his out at the weekend, fully rebuilt from the ground up. Get it done and enjoy it. Leary green and black flutes i would never paint anything in that liverey never. . PS.. LOOVVE the Wheels by the way. Edited May 19, 2016 by TONY R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Leary green and black flutes i would never paint anything in that liverey never. . PS.. LOOVVE the Wheels by the way. He got a lot of stick from the old school brigade for doing that as it contains a lot of flake and really is a bit in your face. But hey his car and he is only 18 and wanted a hot wheels look. I think he nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 He got a lot of stick from the old school brigade for doing that as it contains a lot of flake and really is a bit in your face. But hey his car and he is only 18 and wanted a hot wheels look. I think he nailed it. Leary Green is the new black , i think that car looks awesome. The ausere satin black schemes of the late 90s 2000s are not in vouge anymore, its harping back to the late 50s 60s now flutes have come back with a vengance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Leary Green is the new black , i think that car looks awesome. The ausere satin black schemes of the late 90s 2000s are not in vouge anymore, its harping back to the late 50s 60s now flutes have come back with a vengance. Forgot to say the wheels are genuine racing centerlines from the 70's. Great wheels so easy to clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 My daughter once had a special edition Jeans Beetle, My daughter asked if her and a friend could use my workshop all night, the following morning the beetle came out looking like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Well you know what they say , there is no accounting for personal taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Oh man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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