ditchman Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 People a signing a petition for a 2nd referendum on the EU...it has already reached 1 million question is this valid at what stage could this be implemented what if a petition is started for "stay as it is" could one petition nulify another petition what is going on now ?.......is it hard cheese or something serious.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Totally undemocratic I would think, unless it had been proved the first was rigged in some way. Edited June 25, 2016 by Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) I'm inclined to agree, unless it reaches the proportions of the winning total for the leave campaign's referendum. only if it's up at 17 million do I think it needs to be considered, UNLESS there is clear evidence (and I mean CLEAR) that there was a concerted attempt to deceive the public in the campaign phase, but that's for the courts to decide and not a petition Edited June 25, 2016 by chrisjpainter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 It's just the ones that thought they were going to win easily and tell us "hard luck, that's the way it goes". They don't like it up em so they throw their toys out and have a tantrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just sore losers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 It would throw Democracy out the window,no chance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 if it was in order for this to happen then nicola spungeon would have done it on the scottish ref' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNS Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/remember-that-time-nigel-farage-said-52-48-votes-should-lead-to-second-referendum-5963900/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 In Scottish referendum we were told even though vote was almost as close, unless there was a significant change we would have to live with it. Lokks like shoe us on other foot now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 So we have another referendum and decide to stay in. Do we then have another petition for a third referendum? Etc., etc., ad infinitum. I think not. It's just sore losers throwing their toys around. You were outvoted, get used to it. (Grow up.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNS Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/remember-that-time-nigel-farage-said-52-48-votes-should-lead-to-second-referendum-5963900/ Oops, meant to say just to provide some balance Can't see the point of another myself, even with idiots saying they would have voted differently had they known the consequences etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 It just means that Parliament have to debate it if they get more than 100,000 signature AFAIK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyS Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 I think we need another referendum to decide whether or not we need another referendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) When you think that what was it 40 million people voted to stay in it would not be hard to get just one mill people to do that the same would apply the other way I expect voting on the internet is so simple anyway. This is why I think most of the time signing all of these internet petitions is a wast of time it proves nothing except that you can press a button. Edited June 25, 2016 by four-wheel-drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 most people signing petion will be remain voters,those with most to lose polish ect and the scots ...its like wanting second general election because you didn't win first time ludicrous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 In Scottish referendum we were told even though vote was almost as close, unless there was a significant change we would have to live with it. Lokks like shoe us on other foot now..... I think it is based upon she infers the dynamics have changed. Scotland voted to remain in the UK, and voted to remain in the EU, but by default they are now out of the latter. I can see the point she is making, but as Scotland voted to remain part of the U.K. and the UK voted to leave, then they surely have to accept the democratic process. To do otherwise in my opinion is to set a dangerous precedent. When do we accept a final decision.....best out of three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Cameron said at the start that whatever the outcome the result would be honoured. The powers that be from all parties should now come out and make a statement that the result stands and there will be no second vote. This just adds to the uncertainty and makes a stable future harder to achieve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 I think it is based upon she infers the dynamics have changed. Scotland voted to remain in the UK, and voted to remain in the EU, but by default they are now out of the latter. I can see the point she is making, but as Scotland voted to remain part of the U.K. and the UK voted to leave, then they surely have to accept the democratic process. To do otherwise in my opinion is to set a dangerous precedent. When do we accept a final decision.....best out of three? She seems to (conveniently) forget that, at the time of the Scottish referendum, the EU made it quite clear that an independent Scotland would not be admitted into the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 They wont stop until they get their own way, and that is at any cost. Revolution is the next step when democratic action fails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 would they even have us back if we did mentally change our minds ? im pretty sure on the run up to the vote one of the eu lot said there would be no coming back if we voted out ? and this guys says theres no going back either..... The UK's European Commissioner Lord Hill is to stand down, saying "what is done cannot be undone" after the UK voted to leave the European Union http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629646 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 I think this is just media nonsense. In any event nothing but sour grapes, I wonder how many of the million voted in the referendum in the first place? Entirely unconstitutional I would imagine, in any event could be sabotaged by initial out voters refusing to vote at all and then the outcome would be invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Very unconstitutional! We have had a referrendum and the result has been accepted! Edited June 25, 2016 by TIGHTCHOKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 It is based on a turn out of 72% there is no rule on turn out and also on the fact that less than 60% won it again totoal BS there is no rule on that 50.1% would have won it.. Sore loosers anyone signing this can **** off to Europe if they love it so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 would they even have us back if we did mentally change our minds ? im pretty sure on the run up to the vote one of the eu lot said there would be no coming back if we voted out ? and this guys says theres no going back either..... The UK's European Commissioner Lord Hill is to stand down, saying "what is done cannot be undone" after the UK voted to leave the European Union http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629646 Don't forget we haven't as yet actually requested we leave the EU - that won't happen till whoever is the PM presses the button so to speak. Remember all the referendum was , was a way to ask the population what the wanted - there is no actual legal requirement for the government to activate Article 50 Even Boris is saying we should wait a while to let the dust settle. It seems the EU leaders are far keener to get things going (which they can't until we formally ask). Cameron resigning is starting to look like a planned delaying tactic. Don't forget there have been precedents of referendums being re-run (can't remember which country it was but first referendum was for not joining, then they had another go and it changed to a join). I have q feeling this is far from over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Don't forget we haven't as yet actually requested we leave the EU - that won't happen till whoever is the PM presses the button so to speak. Remember all the referendum was , was a way to ask the population what the wanted - there is no actual legal requirement for the government to activate Article 50 Even Boris is saying we should wait a while to let the dust settle. It seems the EU leaders are far keener to get things going (which they can't until we formally ask). Cameron resigning is starting to look like a planned delaying tactic. Don't forget there have been precedents of referendums being re-run (can't remember which country it was but first referendum was for not joining, then they had another go and it changed to a join). I have q feeling this is far from over! This....the dust hasn't even settled yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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