Gordon R Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Interested to know how you can shoot springing teal as the target is hidden under the barrels. Same with driven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted July 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 You give your location as 'North West' whereabouts are you exactly and which shooting ground have you been going to ? I tend to vary the grounds I shoot at. Blackpool (which I find the hardest), Rishton, Kelbrook and Toplands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Interested to know how you can shoot springing teal as the target is hidden under the barrels. Same with driven. I shoot with both eyes open iam right handed and my left eye takes over and I can measure the lead with no problem. The gun and the clay are miles out of line though. It works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldfarmer Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 If you want to improve listen to what WW says - go and get at least 2 or 3 lessons with an instructor who comes recommended - not necessarily from one of the organisations. Many of the best coaches do not belong to the various organisations, as they have no need, they get their work through their reputation and personal recommendation. At the ground we get so many people who phone up having just got their brand new certificate after a long, long wait - rushed out and bought a gun and then find that can't hit anything like as many clays as they thought they would. First you need to establish a sound, simple, reliable, consistent technique - easier said than done. You need to establish a good stance, mount and fit and eye dominance. This can all be covered quite quickly but it will then give you confidence to move forward. Start off on easy clays and gradually move on to more difficult ones once you have mastered the basic techniques. You will never achieve your potential if you just blaze away at competition standard targets hoping to occasionally connect at some point. It will cost you more and be so frustrating you may well give up before reaching your potential and gaining maximum enjoyment from your sport. You certainly cant analyse someone's problems on a forum - you need to check them out and see them shoot otherwise it is just guessing blind. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I shoot with both eyes open iam right handed and my left eye takes over and I can measure the lead with no problem. The gun and the clay are miles out of line though. That can only work on crossers in one direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 That can only work on crossers in one direction. Not crossers. driven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) He's talking about looking through the gun on driven and teal I think Edited July 19, 2016 by EdSolomons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 He said he shoots maintained lead for every shot - driven, crossers, rising, rabbit, quartering etc. Very difficult to achieve any sort of standard, shooting right handed with a left master eye. Too many parts of the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 He's talking about looking through the gun on driven and teal I think If that means being able to see the gap above teal and in front of driven, then yes that's what iam talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 He said he shoots maintained lead for every shot - driven, crossers, rising, rabbit, quartering etc. Very difficult to achieve any sort of standard, shooting right handed with a left master eye. Too many parts of the equation. Never mentioned left master eye. If the right eye cannot see the clay as in teal and driven the left must take over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 iam right handed and my left eye takes over If you have a right master eye - you would be looking straight down the barrel. Your left eye would not come into the equation. The fact that you are using your left eye, suggests it is dominant. PS - you did mention your left eye. "The left must take over" - no it must not. If it works for you, good luck, but I cannot comprehend how anyone could shoot to a decent standard with such a mish-mash of technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 On a driven clay if you have your gun in front of the clay your right eye cannot see the clay as the barrel is in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 As a rather new shooter here (started last october), I'm approaching the sport like I did many others. To me, the various methods of following/leading the target are worthless without proper musculature. I approached the subject by looking at what sort of muscle groups were in use while shooting, and doing a little bit of a workout on these especially; THAT will at least remove the problem of lack of precision and only leave the technical side. To me it was the shoulder adductors, left triceps, and the side abs. Doesn't need to be a LOT of workout, but I think you need to be aware that musculature matters when swinging a heavy object while trying to point it with some sort of precision at a target. For the technical side, I took on skeet. It's as easy as that; I don't /particularly/ like it as a sport, but it's a great training practice. Try to find a ground that has a delay/remote and shoot 200, 300/day; work on /everything/ and nail down the feet placement, gun mount, pick up point, lead/follow/pull thru and try to get that down to some sort of 'instinctive' level. The hardest bit is to try to concentrate, most especially when you start to be tired. I'm not there yet. After that the 'only' thing remaining to work on is the mind. I find that the physical of shooting is actually pretty straightforward, but the mental is extraordinarily important. I don't have a solution to that yet :-) I did a 84/100 the other day, and the following one I did a 72. That 72 I dropped ONE in the first 35, then the mental collapsed and was all over the place. I was in the mode of "blimey I'm doing great-must-not-think-about-it" and then, I did :-) So yes, 'lessons' are possibly the solution, but you need a great coach. A normal coach might mess you up more than anything, coaching is a LOT harder than shooting after all. It's not a given in any sport... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Buze that's some budget your working in the 200-300 clays a day at let's say £10 for 25 clays and cartridges that's £80-£120 a day or £560-840 a week £2240-£3360 a months. Plus the time so about 1hour 20 mins per 100 so best part of 4 hours a day. Hats off to you your really committing to this hope it pays off for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 You can look "through" the gun (ie your off eye being aware of the bird under the barrel) on driven or teal targets if shooting both eyes open. Nothing to do with cross dominance, in fact it will only be successful if you have zero pull from our off eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Buze that's some budget your working in the 200-300 clays a day at let's say £10 for 25 clays and cartridges that's £80-£120 a day or £560-840 a week £2240-£3360 a months. Plus the time so about 1hour 20 mins per 100 so best part of 4 hours a day. Hats off to you your really committing to this hope it pays off for you. How did you decide to extrapolate this? I shoot my 200-300 every other week-end when I'm in wales. It's not the frequency, it's the volume that matters. Frequency is good, but volume is also important, it's like weightlifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 How did you decide to extrapolate this? I shoot my 200-300 every other week-end when I'm in wales. It's not the frequency, it's the volume that matters. Frequency is good, but volume is also important, it's like weightlifting. I misunderstood your 200-300/day comment I disagree though volume can be a bad thing leading to issues especially with recoil sensitivity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 To my mind, 300 clays in a day is a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 . It's not the frequency, it's the volume that matters. Frequency is good, but volume is also important, it's like weightlifting. Last year I was shooting 3 or 4 times a week. I`d do a 30 bird sporting on Tues, a bit of skeet on a Fri, then more sporting on Sat and Sun. My shooting undoubtedly improved. However if I`d tried to pack all that shooting into 1 day I doubt I would have seen the same improvement. It may be different for you but I would find it hard to concentrate and remain disciplined shooting such a large volume in a single session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Looking through the gun is great and as Ed says only work with a totally right dominant shot, it's great for driven and a really useful skill to teach clients. However I've not taught clients to shoot driven targets or teal with ML. I'd be interested to know Ed if you teach ML for normal driven birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 So would I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchy trigger Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 going back a few years, I was with a group of guys that traveled around shooting sporting and fitasc, we shot most weekends around the country, I went to Sealand one midweek afternoon with a lad that worked for me and a slab of cartridges, went on the skeet range target by target, gun down ISU style with the lad deciding the delay, shot the slab, the following weekend the remarks from the other shooters on the way I was shooting and the improvement in my score, proved to me the benefit of skeet for practice, thing that lets me down is my mind games, just wish I could turn thinking off and just shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I misunderstood your 200-300/day comment I disagree though volume can be a bad thing leading to issues especially with recoil sensitivity I shoot 24g for these sessions. Might even pick up 21g, as it does'nt really matter at that range, I'm either on it, or not! The idea of shooting 300 is to make shooting 100 easier. it works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I wouldn't start anyone off with ML on driven however it is a very useful tool for more advanced shots and under certain circumstances ie short window high driven or some of the super fast big stuff off the top of the RBSS tower sequence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Ok not normal driven targets happy with its use in high bird or short Windows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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