mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Situation is: work is half way to the range, wanna go shooting, pressed for time on that day before dark, after work. If I have to go home for the gun I would hit the traffic on a major road, another hour (maybe more) taken from shooting, gun is S1 shotgun, so can't give it to any of my shooting buddies to bring it to me. So, If I park my 4x4 against the wall (impossible to open the back) at our public car park, gun chained to an anchor point of car, trigger lock installed, steering wheel lock on, car alarmed, next to the entrance of our building (5m), hundreds of people coming/going, never seen any car theft there (10yrs). Can't take any part of the firearm into the building (against policy). Would this be reasonable precaution or not? Stupid thing to do or not? Pls don't bash me on this, just looking for some honest advice... Thank You! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) I'd say so , why would anybody know it was even there If your that worried ring your feo and ask them Edited September 24, 2016 by bigman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 You would have taken reasonable precautions so I would say yes, But I'm not the one you would have to answer to if something did happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) I don't know what your gun is but my ex section 1 s/a is gas operated and has a piston/rod which operates the mechanism. It's a small and easily carried part which is unidentifiable as part of a gun and without which the gun is single shot/unusable. Removal of this along with the other measures you highlighted I would consider as reasonable. Edited September 24, 2016 by Glenlivet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 HO guidance is clear on this, and if do as you have described you have fulfilled your obligation in taking all reasonable precautions to secure your firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I don't know what your gun is but my ex section 1 s/a is gas operated and has a piston/rod which operates the mechanism. It's a small and easily carried part which is unidentifiable as part of a gun and without which the gun is single shot/unusable. Removal of this along with the other measures you highlighted I would consider as reasonable. I would do this, assuming its a SA, take the 'nut thing' that holds action together in to work with u, depending on the make some have triggers that pull out possibly hide that somewhere else in car. If not split the gun mibee a cordlock thing down throuhg the barrels and stock/butt under seat. Just do wotever u think will take a thief longer to steal it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I don't know what your gun is but my ex section 1 s/a is gas operated and has a piston/rod which operates the mechanism. It's a small and easily carried part which is unidentifiable as part of a gun and without which the gun is single shot/unusable. Removal of this along with the other measures you highlighted I would consider as reasonable. Pump,,different, can't remove parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I would do this, assuming its a SA, take the 'nut thing' that holds action together in to work with u, depending on the make some have triggers that pull out possibly hide that somewhere else in car. If not split the gun mibee a cordlock thing down throuhg the barrels and stock/butt under seat. Just do wotever u think will take a thief longer to steal it . Cable into the barrel, thats how I lock it onto the anchor point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Define "reasonable"..................Reasonable is subjective, it doesn't mean every conceivable precaution.....so it's up to you to decide, if you genuinely feel you have taken reasonable precautions.......then you have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Is the public car park a council car park type or a public park owned by your work? Just have to be careful if it is work's property if they have a firearm policy. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Sorry for a stupid question (don't think ever seen a pump in flesh) can u not strip them down the same was as a SA? How do u clean them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 You would have taken reasonable precautions so I would say yes, But I'm not the one you would have to answer to if something did happen This is the correct answer. As Shaun has said, if the worst happens it is you who will have to demonstrate to the police/firearms team that your action was beyond reproach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Is the public car park a council car park type or a public park owned by your work? Just have to be careful if it is work's property if they have a firearm policy. Rick Public car park owned by my work. Costumers sometimes coming with guns in the car. (Dressed up for the first shoot of the season, looking for sloe gin, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Sorry for a stupid question (don't think ever seen a pump in flesh) can u not strip them down the same was as a SA? How do u clean them? There is no stupid question, it is a highly modified pump, You need gunsmithing tools/knowledge to do things like that with it. Still can clean barrel and receiver/port. Which I do every time. Never failed on me. Once a year service, deep clean by gunsmith. Me not mechanically minded. Can take apart all my other guns, except this one. Edited September 24, 2016 by londonercsecse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I might just leave the whole idea, go home from work, sit in the traffic jam and arrive late... Don't wanna risk it. Thx for input, gentlemen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just to be extra safe can't you take the bolt out and pop it in your pocket? Even if anything happened and they chainsawed their way into your particularly secure car the gun would be useless. I appreciate it's probably a bit oily and lives inside the beast like my semi auto but its a 10 second job to remove and renders it useless without and added piece of mind. Just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Should the unthinkable happen and your vehicle is stolen, how will you feel when reporting the theft to the Police? How will you mention that the car contained a S1 Firearm and ammunition? How will you prove that you had taken all reasonable precautions? I would strongly suspect that the Police may well not agree with you and may ask why you couldn't be bothered to go home for the weapon and ammo? A friend of mine was prosecuted some years ago, his S2 shotguns were under a false floor in his van parked on the road outside his house. He was too lazy to take the weapons in one evening as he planned to use them the next day. He was a shooting instructor and that was a large part of his livelyhood. Ultimately it is YOUR CHOICE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Should the unthinkable happen and your vehicle is stolen, how will you feel when reporting the theft to the Police? How will you mention that the car contained a S1 Firearm and ammunition? How will you prove that you had taken all reasonable precautions? I would strongly suspect that the Police may well not agree with you and may ask why you couldn't be bothered to go home for the weapon and ammo? A friend of mine was prosecuted some years ago, his S2 shotguns were under a false floor in his van parked on the road outside his house. He was too lazy to take the weapons in one evening as he planned to use them the next day. He was a shooting instructor and that was a large part of his livelyhood. Ultimately it is YOUR CHOICE. No ammo in car. Time would be the issue. Will go home and sit in traffic. Not worth it. Edited September 24, 2016 by londonercsecse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 There is a bit of a difference leaving guns in ur car outside ur house and wot the OP is talking about doing. Ideally i'd want to try to remove something from the gun if possible so it couldn't fire in the slim chance they nicked ur whole motor. People do it all the time travelling to and from shooting holidays, so if u use some common sense, disguise it, secure it and don't advetise the fact it could be there (stickers on motor etc) If u think u have satisfied resonble precations and its safe i'd take it (but i must admit would be happier if i had a imprtant part of it on me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Public car park owned by my work. Costumers sometimes coming with guns in the car. (Dressed up for the first shoot of the season, looking for sloe gin, etc).well they would be dressed up if they're 'costumers'!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 HO guidance is clear on this, and if do as you have described you have fulfilled your obligation in taking all reasonable precautions to secure your firearm. This ^^ You`re overthinking it Steve. Perfectly reasonable, in fact almost obsessive, safety precautions you`ve listed. Just do as stated and arrive on time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 well they would be dressed up if they're 'costumers'!!. Haha! Forgive me, english is not first language. Made a mistake. Meant customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 . Haha! Forgive me, english is not first language. Made a mistake. Meant customers.Igen, tudom:-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Igen, tudom:-)). Wow! How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 . Wow! How?Titkos -))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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