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Albert Steptoe incarnate.

 

The Labour capitulation started when the party elders got the Milliband Brothers mixed up and elected Wallace by mistake.

 

Now Farage has gone and Ukip are evaporating I suspect the Lib Dems will be resurgent come the next GE.

 

It really underlines the demise of a once great opposition when you consider that Corbyn is the best they have.

 

Anyway Adge doesn't do politics. !

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I would imagine the bubbly is flowing at Tory party HQ about now ,Lenin is re-elected leader of the London commune and when the "impartial" boundary changes kick in and 50 M.P,s go west the Labour heartlands go with them .The new boundary,s are a little loaded in the Tory,s direction :whistling:

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Vince - totally agree. I honestly can't understand why some Labour supports think he is electable as prime Minister. Good luck to them - it will be a harsh lesson.

 

Danger-Mouse - just missed your post. I agree that this is a distinct possibility.

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For my part I am intrigued at the background to this. Corbyn represents 'Old Labour' - Tony Benn to Dennis Healey in a left to right depiction whilst most of the current Labour Ministers are of the Kinnock / Blair persuasion, i.e. to the right of centre. More like moderate Tories than Socialists in the Healey / Callaghan manner. The public who support Labour are keen to take the party back to its 1970's position as being left of centre and thus putting themselves against zero hours contracts, privatisation of rail services, the NHS and education. It is like the pendulum swinging back the other way after 8 consecutive terms of Tory rule.

 

For me, the reason 'Old Labour' lost its way was because they allowed the unions too much power and that was ruining the country. These days the major industries that were represented by powerful nationally based unions such as steelworkers, miners and dockers are history so I cannot see a return to the days of Red Ken and King Arthur. But it would be nice to see a bit more being done to represent the rights of the low paid workers and the like and I can't see the Tories wanting to do that.

 

My guess is that this turmoil in the Labour Party will manifest itself in Government policy changes without them actually getting into power, in the same way that UKIP caused the Referendum to be held without them actually having any seats in Parliament. The Tories will respond to the public pressure and tke on some of the policies to head off losses at the polls.

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My guess is that this turmoil in the Labour Party will manifest itself in Government policy changes without them actually getting into power, in the same way that UKIP caused the Referendum to be held without them actually having any seats in Parliament. The Tories will respond to the public pressure and tke on some of the policies to head off losses at the polls.

It's an interesting theory - personally I'm not sure but will make for some fun observations over the next months!

Odds on a split in the party?

Very likely I should imagine - just read Owen Smith has said he wont join the new cabinet, and a labour Peer has resigned. Odds on a new party emerging - Democratic for instance?

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Its more than not having a good leader, the whole party is rubbish, the last election was an embarrassment

 

UKPoacher you are so right, they should be banging on about unacceptable working conditions in places like Sports Direct but not a word. Zero hours contracts and temp jobs. It should be their bread and butter.

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The thing is, the unionised workplace of the 1970s was pre-Employment Rights Act, and many of the industries we had then don't even exist here now.

 

In fact the only issue with the zero hours contracts wasn't actually that they were zero hours contracts per se, it was that they contained exclusivity clauses, which are clearly unfair.

 

Workers rights are protected in this country more than ever and that's unlikely to change, Tories and Brexit included.

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The biggest problem for Corbyn and his followers is that after more than five Parliaments the majority of his MPs are Blairite right wingers and they will remain in position until the next general election. Then it will get really bloody as he tries to replace the Islington mob with left wingers.

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The biggest problem for Corbyn and his followers is that after more than five Parliaments the majority of his MPs are Blairite right wingers and they will remain in position until the next general election. Then it will get really bloody as he tries to replace the Islington mob with left wingers.

 

Interesting times are coming along, it would be nice to see some old fashioned labour ideas.

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The biggest problem for Corbyn and his followers is that after more than five Parliaments the majority of his MPs are Blairite right wingers and they will remain in position until the next general election. Then it will get really bloody as he tries to replace the Islington mob with left wingers.

should that nor read "left Whingers"

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For my part I am intrigued at the background to this. Corbyn represents 'Old Labour' - Tony Benn to Dennis Healey in a left to right depiction whilst most of the current Labour Ministers are of the Kinnock / Blair persuasion, i.e. to the right of centre. More like moderate Tories than Socialists in the Healey / Callaghan manner. The public who support Labour are keen to take the party back to its 1970's position as being left of centre and thus putting themselves against zero hours contracts, privatisation of rail services, the NHS and education. It is like the pendulum swinging back the other way after 8 consecutive terms of Tory rule.

 

For me, the reason 'Old Labour' lost its way was because they allowed the unions too much power and that was ruining the country. These days the major industries that were represented by powerful nationally based unions such as steelworkers, miners and dockers are history so I cannot see a return to the days of Red Ken and King Arthur. But it would be nice to see a bit more being done to represent the rights of the low paid workers and the like and I can't see the Tories wanting to do that.

 

My guess is that this turmoil in the Labour Party will manifest itself in Government policy changes without them actually getting into power, in the same way that UKIP caused the Referendum to be held without them actually having any seats in Parliament. The Tories will respond to the public pressure and tke on some of the policies to head off losses at the polls.

hello, no but how many now in the House of Lords?? King Arthur for one and what happened to all the miners put on the scrap heap, do you remember his last words everybody out lads!!!!! oh except me!!!!!

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hello, no but how many now in the House of Lords?? King Arthur for one and what happened to all the miners put on the scrap heap, do you remember his last words everybody out lads!!!!! oh except me!!!!!

'King Arthur' Scargill isn't in the House of Lords and never will be. I don't know of any other miner's union leaders who were knighted for that matter.

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According to Wikipedia Scargill is a Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist who lives in a one and a half million pound flat in the Barbican in London for which the rent was paid for (unbeknown to them!) for years by the NUM, hypocritically at one time he tried, unsuccessfully to buy the flat using arch enemy Margaret Thatchers "right to buy" legislation..... So comrades, more accurately a Champagne communist!....he is not yet ennobled as a member of the House of Lords. Lol!

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According to Wikipedia Scargill is a Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist who lives in a one and a half million pound flat in the Barbican in London for which the rent was paid for (unbeknown to them!) for years by the NUM, hypocritically at one time he tried, unsuccessfully to buy the flat using arch enemy Margaret Thatchers "right to buy" legislation..... So comrades, more accurately a Champagne communist!....he is not yet ennobled as a member of the House of Lords. Lol!

 

i read today the his recent attempt to buy the flat under 'right to buy' legislation was successful!

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According to Wikipedia Scargill is a Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist who lives in a one and a half million pound flat in the Barbican in London for which the rent was paid for (unbeknown to them!) for years by the NUM, hypocritically at one time he tried, unsuccessfully to buy the flat using arch enemy Margaret Thatchers "right to buy" legislation..... So comrades, more accurately a Champagne communist!....he is not yet ennobled as a member of the House of Lords. Lol!

It gets even more interesting; His family home is a detached bungalow that was purchased allegedly by his daughter's student boyfriend during the Miner's Strike. Arthur and his wife lived there for many years until his wife paid an impromptu visit to the NUM London flat and discovered another lady in residence. The bungalow is on the shoot I used to be part of and both he and his now ex-wife are totally anti fieldsports and would berate us whenever they saw us near their house. I regularly had to sneak my spaniel into his back garden to retrieve shot partridge :lol:

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