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Today a good friend (and shooting buddy) called and lets me know that he's lost one of his long term perms, Feeling gutted is an understatement.

 

The story goes like this. The field is gated and is criss crossed with public footpaths and is bordered by a very fishable trout/salmon/grayling river. We've bumped into many 'lost' fishermen on the stretch, people whom shouldnt be there. As usual my friend popped down to the river to try his luck on the ducks, not long after, the farmer approached him and told him (allegedly in a heated manner) that a gate was left open and his cattle had got out. Contesting the act, he was asked never to come back onto the ground again, because of an un-shut gate.

 

Rather harsh i thought and so asked the friend to go back to the farmer (when the dust settles) to prove his innocence.

 

Has anyone here been in an unfortunate situation such as this ? :/

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Is it me or have you worded this in a mannor that we would say he has been kicked off so the fishermen get some peace

oops...forgot to make it clearer (getting late). No one has permission to fish the river. Period. Think the farmer mentioned something about fishing line left behind by idiots,

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Farmers are the worlds worst at leaving gates open, i rent a cottage on a farm and many time see sheep or cattle going for a wonder down the farm track. I have even seen cattle open the gate. If they have string to hold them close the calfs start chewing it, and hey presto it fall to the ground and the gate opens and out they trot.

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Thankfully getting kicked off has never happened to me, but there is always a first time if complacency creeps in. Texts, calls and tidying up all matter.

 

This spring I spotted a man in a small 4wd looking for pigeons parked up in a gateway. I stopped to say hello and as we chatted I could tell that he was a decent man. He told me of all of the ground he can shoot over ( a decent amount of very pigeonny ground), none of which overlapped with any of mine. When I asked him if he could shoot on a particular estate his eyes filled with water as he recounted how the new keeper had accused him of shooting a pheasant and told him not to come on that land ever again.

 

The new keeper obviously had an agenda but there would have been better ways to ask the man not to come on his land. He assured me that he had not shot a pheasant and I believed him.

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The story goes like this. The field is gated and is criss crossed with public footpaths and is bordered by a very fishable trout/salmon/grayling river. We've bumped into many 'lost' fishermen on the stretch, people whom shouldnt be there. As usual my friend popped down to the river to try his luck on the ducks, not long after, the farmer approached him and told him (allegedly in a heated manner) that a gate was left open and his cattle had got out. Contesting the act, he was asked never to come back onto the ground again, because of an un-shut gate.

 

Rather harsh i thought

 

 

 

Not harsh at all.

 

No different to your cleaner leaving your front door open when she leaves and some little scrote walking in and stealing all your possessions.

 

Nothing riles me more than gates left open and stock getting out, the farmer has every right to be upset!

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Not harsh at all.

 

No different to your cleaner leaving your front door open when she leaves and some little scrote walking in and stealing all your possessions.

 

Nothing riles me more than gates left open and stock getting out, the farmer has every right to be upset!

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Probably still fuming and lashed out at the first target he came across. Might pay to get your mate to call back and see if the fence can be mended.

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Many moons ago, I was working on a mixed farm as a young farm section manager, I loved my job and the farm. One day, I was approached at speed by my irate boss, bawling about a cattle gate opened and newly drilled seedbeds destroyed! I never got chance to deny it before getting thumped in the chest and summarily sacked.

Turns out it was mistakenly left opened by his daughter, while horse riding.

About an hour after, and still a bit shocked and very despondent, I was called on the phone, and asked if I liked fishing, by none other than my now calmed boss, and to meet him down at the weir.

He was already there when I arrived I was handed a fishing rod and a cold beer, reinstated as a section manager and no more was said about it, no apology, or explanation, and I went on to enjoy several more yeaes working there. Nothing changes it seems with farmers, no matter where.

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In this day and age all gates should have a padlock and chain with keys given to those with a right to go through the gate. I have seen dog walkers and ramblers open gates on quite a few occasions.

 

Casual trespassers are less inclined to climb over a gate they would be more than happy to open and walk through.

 

Maybe your mate ought to go back to the farmer and offer to buy some padlocks and chains

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In this day and age all gates should have a padlock and chain with keys given to those with a right to go through the gate. I have seen dog walkers and ramblers open gates on quite a few occasions.

 

Casual trespassers are less inclined to climb over a gate they would be more than happy to open and walk through.

 

Maybe your mate ought to go back to the farmer and offer to buy some padlocks and chains

hello, plus 1 and a big sign on gate PRIVATE LAND NO TRESPASSING, good luck

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A bit different as we have the sporting rights but a while ago I called at the farm to drop off a few Christmas cards and little gifts for the stockman and his kids and the farmers youngings knocked on the farmer he came to the door took the card and the gift out of my hand then started to bollick me about a gate left open I asked him what gate and he informed me that it was a one just off the public road, I started to try and explain that we had not been in that area for a few weeks. He didn't want to hear any explanation and shuved the door shut in my face.I came away fuming as the gate in question was on the edge of a layby where lots of folk stop and walk the dog Upshot was I could not retaliate as it could effect others on the permission. The farmer then placed a lock on the gate. I think because he my have realised it could have been someone using the layby that left open the gate .Anyhoo I told all the lads to shut all the gates thy passed thru even if they had been open when found it took about a month then all the gates had signs placed on them informing anyone using the gate to please leave it as found open our shut.Later on a little birdie told me that the farmers wife had a go at him for not listening to me in the first place.No apology or even a mention of signs! and I have not asked for the combination for the locked gate we just climb it and we have made and placed stiles in most of the crossing points so we don't have to use the gates in the hope we can keep the farmer on our side.

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I suspect...someone leaving a gate open was a convenient excuse and obviously the Farmer doesn't have much confidence in your mates integrity as not to believe he wasn't the guilty party.

 

I would be tempted to let the dust settle and write to him rather than go and see him.. Tell him that he is dismayed by his distrust of his word and his innocence and ask him if he would be good enough to reconsider.

 

This happened to me once a long time ago... I was only a young man but the farmer stopped me shooting on his land after 6 continuous years on the pretence that he had received a lot of complaints from the villagers because of the frequency of it. I only went when he called me !!! so was rather dumbfounded by his reasoning.

 

There was a lull of about 6 weeks then shooting began again and he had only kicked me off because he had let it to a rough shooting syndicate of 10 for £1500 a year.

 

I saw him in the pub and told him what I thought about him in no uncertain terms in front of everyone...He was a spineless individual, it was probably not recoverable when his wife agreed with me !

 

At the annual presidents V Club cricket match I let him have a couple of looseners outside the off stump before sticking one around his ears and another into his midriff, then he took the bait..... a slow dolly outside off he tried to take the case off and nicked it to the keeper.

 

I gave him a little wave has he left the field for only 3 runs..

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ive only been accused of leaving a gate open on one occasion , it was by the owner of 40 acres that my farmer was renting . no mole control had been done for at least 30yrs and it looked like the surface of the moon , within days of my farmer renting the land , the owner was shouting that he needed to get those moles cleared , i was visiting the land regularly to clear the moles and one day i bumped into my farmer , he said that the moaning landowner had phoned him up and had a moan that id left a gate open onto a road , my farmer put him straight that id been shooting his land for 15yrs and in all of that time i hadnt left a single gate open that wasnt already open when i got there , he must have given the landowner a right ear bashing because the next time i saw the landowner he said sorry and offered me money for the mole control and gave me permission to shoot the woods around the land.

 

about a month later , my farmer told me that it had been an angry contractor that had smashed the gate open with a tractor after a row with the landowner.

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I've been accused of leaving gates open and driving across fields that are off limits. But I've never had an apology when the farmer found out who actually did it.

On our farm it's normally western power who leave gates open after driving all over the drilling without asking

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In this day and age all gates should have a padlock and chain with keys given to those with a right to go through the gate.

OK in the ideal world but locks do not deter those with portable angle grinders who come in the dead of night. Yes, it does happen.

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