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I sold my T5 VW had it two years made money on it, had chance to move it on so grasped the chance.

Now its nearly winter its wildfowling and we have wifes cactus and i have a Kawasaki VN1500 bobber on the road with no front mudguard, not ideal. :lol:

Now i have an old 2003 Peugeot 307 SW under the shed its tested 4 months still i can tax it end of week, sorted, but i cant get the atv in the back like the van so its a trailer , or get another 4wd.

Brothers come accros an old freelander 1 its a 2000 so should be still cheap enough tax next year with the new VED rules , and from what i hear they are ok off road fields and stuff, not too heavy on diesel.

Its running ok drives well enough central locking dead but locks on the key in the door, its suposed to have had new prop shaft 6 month ago.

Now are these older Freelanders a viable proposition as a day on day user are they robust enough to take the high miles up and down the country?

I know a few faults from those i have heard bits about, viscous coupling etc.

But bearing in mind its a cheap truck to begin with at 400 quid do you think its worth a gamble based on what i have said or just tax the old 307SW and save my money.

I realise its a how long is a piece of string question , but just looking for a little insight into these things before i pull the trigger on it.

Just how good or bad are these things please.? :innocent:

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What engine and gearbox? I paid £1500 for my 2002 with 103,000 on the clock, TD4 auto. 8 months later I've put 12,000 miles on it with no major problems. If it's had a prop shaft I assume the vcu is ok, if it goes they remove the prop and run it 2 wheel drive. Mine's had prop bearings, new front electric window motors, driver's door lock for cl, front brakes and discs, tyres etc but starts on the button and does about 30 to the gallon.

 

If the prop shaft is there put it in reverse and run it around on full lock. If it feels like the brakes are on the vcu is on its way and could take the ird with it. Recon vcu around £350. Badly worn tyre edges are also a sign of imminent vcu failure. The 1.8 petrol is known for eating head gaskets.

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Does anyone know what the new VED rules are?

 

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What do 2017 road tax changes mean for cars already registered?

Current road tax bands wont change for cars that are already registered, so the existing VED bands will remain in place - meaning cars registered before April 2017 will continue to pay the current VED rates even after the new VED bands come into force. Fortunately for owners, the existing rates for CO2 bands are much more favourable to lower-polluting vehicles.

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I think you have to bear in mind that if you buy any car for £400 that's exactly its worth..don't expect not to spend any money on it at that age and condition. However if it passes a MOT and you get 12 month out of it without any major expenditure you will be doing well.

 

The original freelander 1 has possibly the most robust but least frugal engine.

 

The risk isn't great imo so go for it.

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Thanks for the replies chaps, I went down to the brothers tonight to meet the lad with the Freelander, its a marron coloured 2 door, on a Y its got a rust swealing on the NS cill, that if i kicked it would be a 3 inch hole at best inner cill area is rock solid its been scraped on the bottom seam years ago thats started this rot.

Tyres are good it drives pretty quiet, exhaust has a slight rattle i am guessing its a guard rattling its some place in the middle , no oil on the concrete in the brother yard coolant levels ok its antifreezed up.

Drivers seats a bit warn on the edge its typical of an old car.

Engine starts fine no smoke ran it for ages no signs of overeheating its no rocket ship but its smooth enough im quite suprised by how it runs for a 400 quid diesel tested till next april.

So i went for it. gave the guy his money he seemed a decent fella brother has known him a few months says hes right enough im pretty happy. Brothher drove it home folowed me on the bike and i took him back in it after i had inssured it online. it went there and back no issues i think its ok.

Thing is it gets me a jeep again and i can tow the trailer better than the 307sw.

That bit of welding ill do it tomorrow because if i dont do it now it wont get done till the spring. Off out fowling friday morning im getting withdrawals. :lol:

Thanks for the advice fellas hope it holds together .. :):good:

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Cut and paste here on the 2017 VED rules.

 

The new for 2017 VED road tax rules will be on us before you know it, with significant changes to road tax bands. So if you don’t bother to check road tax changes affecting your next new or used car purchase, it could end up costing you cash. Basically, the question facing buyers is whether to wait until 1 April 2017 when the new car tax rates come into effect, or whether it’s more cost-effective to change cars ahead of the changes – and unfortunately there’s not one simple answer.

The car tax hike set in motion by former Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne is likely to net billions for the Treasury, with higher road tax prices for all new cars in their first year, but a lower fixed annual rate of £140 for all cars applying for road tax renewal thereafter. That means after the first year, road tax rates will no longer be based on a car’s CO2 emissions. Also under the new road tax UK rules, zero-emissions vehicles will be exempt, whereas cars costing more than £40,000 will have to pay a £310 supplement.

To work out who stands to benefit from the new car tax bands, and who will lose out, Auto Express experts have done the calculations for eight types of car from superminis to SUVs. We discovered that buyers of smaller, more environmentally friendly cars registered after April 2017 will have to cough up – in some cases - more than nine times what they’re paying now. Owners of more polluting models will pay more under the new laws, too, but proportionately less than those running lower-powered cars.

Guide to road tax bands

For example, owners of a Peugeot 208 1.2 PureTech currently pay £20 a year; after April 2017 that would rise to £140. As our table (below) shows, potential buyers will see bills increase nine-fold over three years. Tax-wise, it will be cheaper to buy a new Peugeot 208 before the VED changes.

Yet while first year fees for a high polluting car like Honda's CR-V 2.0i VTEC SE will go up from £300 to £800 under the new regime, annual tax drops by £70 from the current £210 - making the CR-V a more ideal used buy after April 2017 than now. Across three years of CR-V ownership, that works out to a total rise of just 50 per cent.

Highest proportionate increase

CO2 emissions

Current First Year Rate New First Year Rate Three years' tax current rate Three years' tax new rates % change three year ownership

Peugeot 208 1.2 PureTech (82) Allure

104g/km

£0

£140

£40


£420
950%

Ford C-Max 1.5TDCi (120) Zetec

105g/km

£0

£140

£40

£420


950%

Lexus IS 300h Hybrid auto Luxury

103g/km

£0

£140

£40

£420

950%

VW Passat 1.6 TDI S

105g/km

£0

£140

£40

£420

950%

Nissan Qashqai 1.6 dCi (130) N-Connecta

115g/km

£0

£160

£60


£440
633.3%

Lowest proportionate increase

 

SEAT Alhambra 1.4 TSI (150)


150g/km
£145
£200
£435

 


£480
10.3%

Ford Mondeo 1.5 EcoBoost Titanium

 

134g/km

 

£130

 

£200

 

£390

 

£480

 

23.1%

Jaguar XE 2.0i R-Sport (auto)

 

179g/km

 

£355

 

£800

 

£815

 

£1,080

 

35.8%

Toyota Verso 1.6 V-Matic Icon

154g/km


£185
£500
£555
£780
40.5%

Honda CR-V 2.0 i-VTEC SE 4WD


173g/km
£300
£800
£720
£1,080
50%

Company car tax rules 2016

According to Philip Nothard, retail and consumer specialist at CAP HPI, new and pre-registered car sales could spike ahead of next year's VED changes. He told Auto Express: "We could experience a big spike in registrations prior to the introduction of the new tax regulations, as dealers and consumers pull registrations forward on models where there is a saving, or the opposite depending on the car's current VED band." He added: "Pre-registered vehicles can offer big discounts over new models. More savvy dealers may see the changes as an opportunity to drive sales of these cars."

Read on for a more detailed explanation of the road tax changes, why they're taking place, and to see the savings you could be making before the switchover.

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The truth behind the 2017 road tax band changes

The current road tax regime is costing the Exchequer a packet as carmakers have slashed the CO2 emissions of their cars to take advantage of the generous VED tax bands for lower-emissions vehicles.

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In fact, it’s reckoned that a quarter of new cars registered don’t pay any road tax at all as they fall into VED Band A for vehicles with CO2 emissions of less than 100g/km.

At present, new cars have to reach Band D (121-130g/km) before any significant annual road tax is charged. With tax revenues set to fall further as cars continue to get cleaner, the chancellor has deemed the situation ‘unsustainable’.

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What are the 2017 road tax changes in detail?

Cars registered after April 1st 2017 will pay a one-off tax charge for the first year, with rates decided by a heavily revised version of the current CO2-based tax band system.

The adjustments mean most buyers will see their first year tax charge virtually doubled, while only zero-emissions vehicles will get away with paying nothing at all.

From the second year onwards, the CO2 scale becomes irrelevant, as two flat rates will then be applied – a £0 (zero) VED rate for zero-emissions vehicles only, and a flat annual rate of £140 for all other cars.

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While cars costing over £40,000 will also be liable for the £140 VED rate from year two, they will also be forced to pay an additional annual ‘supplement’ of £310 for the first five years.

That means expensive £40k+ zero-emissions cars will no longer get away with a free ride, as they’ll have to pay the £310 supplement. Everything else in the £40k+ bracket will pay £450 a year (£310 supplement + £140 flat rate) until that five-year period is over and they revert to the £140 flat rate.

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VED tax bands: April 2017 onwards: table
VED car tax bands for cars first registered from 2017 onwards Emissions (g/km of CO2) First year rate Standard rate 0 £0 £0 1-50 £10 £140 51-75 £25 76-90 £100 91-100 £120 101-110 £140 111-130 £160 131-150 £200 151-170 £500 171-190 £800 191-225 £1,200 226-255 £1,700 Over 255 £2,000 Cars above £40,000 pay £310 annual supplement for five years
Current (pre-April 2017) vehicle VED tax bands: table
VED Band CO2 Emissions Annual rate First year rate A Up to 100 g/km £0 £0 B 101-110 g/km £20 £0 C 111-120 g/km £30 £0 D 121-130 g/km £110 £0 E 131-140 g/km £130 £130 F 141-150 g/km £145 £145 G 151-165 g/km £185 £185 H 166-175 g/km £210 £300 I 176-185 g/km £230 £355 J 186-200 g/km £270 £500 K* 201-225 g/km £295 £650 L 226-255 g/km £500 £885 M Over 255 g/km £515 £1,120
The 2017 road tax changes – winners and losers

As the rule changes are designed to net the exchequer more cash from popular eco-friendly cars, it stands to reason that these are the vehicles the new rules will hit hardest.

The 2017 changes will mean a car that is CO2 rated at 100g/km or lower – and thus free of road tax for life under the current VED band system – will cost its owner £400 over three years, £680 over 5 years, or a whopping £1,380 over ten years. If you can buy the same car before the April 1st deadline, you’d be mad not to.

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On the other hand, if you aspire to a reasonably-priced sporty model or SUV rated at 226g/km of CO2 or above, and if you intend to treasure it for years, you’ll be on to a winner. Buying that car after the April 1st deadline could save you almost £600 over five years – or nearly £2,500 if you keep it for 10 years. (That’s roughly equivalent to a year’s free petrol in a thirsty 20mpg car, doing 10,000 miles per year!)

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In the over £40,000 bracket, the option is even more clear-cut. Unless your chosen car emits more than 226g/km AND you intend to keep it for the best part of ten years, you’ll be much worse off buying after April 1st 2017.

An expensive 100g/km model that is currently free of VED will - under the new rules - cost £1,020 extra over three years, £1,920 extra over three years, and £2,930 extra over 10 years.

As if that wasn’t enough bad news, in all the ‘worst case scenarios’ the new rules are likely to adversely affect used car values for post-April 1st, 2017 registrations, too.

What do 2017 road tax changes mean for cars already registered?

Current road tax bands won’t change for cars that are already registered, so the existing VED bands will remain in place - meaning cars registered before April 2017 will continue to pay the current VED rates even after the new VED bands come into force. Fortunately for owners, the existing rates for CO2 bands are much more favourable to lower-polluting vehicles.

The current UK road tax rules explained

While the 2017 VED rate shake-up will affect a lot of motorists, the system for collecting and enforcing road tax is not being changed again.

The 2014 overhaul of the road tax arrangements ended the tax disc's 93-year reign and has already made the whole system cheaper to run. There is a catch, however, as you'll find out below.

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The current road tax set-up also makes it tougher for those seeking to avoid paying road tax. Rather than the visual check that the tax disc made possible, the authorities now rely on number-plate recognition cameras to determine that a vehicle has been taxed.

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Although it’s no longer a requirement to display a tax disc in your windscreen, this doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay car. The DVLA will send you a reminder when your road tax is up for renewal in the time-honoured fashion, and you can continue to pay your road tax online, over the phone or at the Post Office.

The road tax price bands remain the same, as do the existing options of paying for 12 or 6 months tax upfront but there’s also the option of paying your car tax monthly. This new monthly option arrives in tandem with the facility to pay your road tax by Direct Debit.

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Drivers paying in monthly installments from their bank accounts will be subject to a 5% surcharge on top of the road tax price itself. That’s less than the 10% that’s added when you pay for six months tax, an option currently used by 23% of motorists. Only the one-off annual payment comes with no extra charges.

The key advantage of paying your car tax by Direct Debit is that the DVLA will continue taking the payments until you tell them to stop. It means that although you’ll no longer have an expiry date on the disc stuck to your windscreen, you’ll no longer need to remember it anyway. Your tax will be renewed automatically, and you can get on with more exciting stuff - like remembering your MOT.

What happens to your road tax when you sell your car?

Under the new car tax system, any remaining road tax will not transfer to the new owner with the vehicle. Instead, the seller can get a road tax refund on any tax remaining on the vehicle, while the buyer has to pay to re-tax the car.

The tax refund on a sold car will be sent automatically when the DVLA receives notification that the car has been sold, scrapped, exported or taken off the road with a Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN).

Sellers are expected to inform the DVLA of any change of ownership straight away or face a £1,000 fine. If they don’t, they could also still be liable for speeding or parking fines incurred by the new owner.

Information on whether or not a car is taxed is available online via the Government website. All you need is the make and model of the car plus the registration number.

Is there a catch to the new Vehicle Excise Duty regime?

So far, so good for the new road tax system but as often seems to be the case, there is a catch.

The problem that's getting motorists riled centres around the refund you get on outstanding road tax when you sell your car. When ownership of a vehicle is transferred the previous owner gets a refund on any outstanding road tax but that refund is calculated from the beginning of the next month. The new owner, on the other hand, has to tax the car anew and their bill is calculated from the beginning of the current month.

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What this means is that the Government effectively collects two lots of tax on the car for the month where ownership is transferred, one from the new owner who pays for that month and one from the previous owner who doesn’t get the tax for that month included in their refund. It's sneaky stuff and should give a useful boost to the exchequer, but at the expense of motorists.

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The details above ^^ explain that VED tax changes will only affect cars registered after 2017.

When it mentions Used cars it is referring to the future used car market. i.e. a car registered in 2017 reaches 3 years old and is then sold ... The new set of VED fees will apply to it as a used car.

On the other hand the same type of car registered in 2016 and sold in 2020 will be taxed on the current rules.

 

Your 2006 Seat Altea will remian in the same tax band as it is now. :good:

 

 

What do 2017 road tax changes mean for cars already registered?

Current road tax bands won’t change for cars that are already registered, so the existing VED bands will remain in place - meaning cars registered before April 2017 will continue to pay the current VED rates even after the new VED bands come into force. Fortunately for owners, the existing rates for CO2 bands are much more favourable to lower-polluting vehicles.

 

Hope this makes sense,

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Know what you mean shaun, way i was told it from what a mate said with regards not new cars was all comercials stay the same like vans pickups etc, but older little cars that pay nawt now go up to 140 quid other bands like es fs and gs are like 130 145 185 respectively ly. and the after 2001 4x4s go up if suvs not double cabs they are comercial , but the suv 4x4s they go up a lot and vary on emmissions engine size etc, and high band l cars and ms are 500 and 515 respectively.

Think any soft roader type 4x4 in the 2.4 litre and above and after 2001 are a no no from next year by what he said.

Its all been a bit quiet this and the info on the goverment site is as straightforward to work out as mud.

I keep reading bits i dont fully understand and, some of it looks bad, i mean in the cut paste above whats that mean about the honda crv is it going to be 800 quid to tax one of them from next year or what? :hmm:???

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Know what you mean shaun, way i was told it from what a mate said with regards not new cars was all comercials stay the same like vans pickups etc, but older little cars that pay nawt now go up to 140 quid other bands like es fs and gs are like 130 145 185 respectively ly. and the after 2001 4x4s go up if suvs not double cabs they are comercial , but the suv 4x4s they go up a lot and vary on emmissions engine size etc, and high band l cars and ms are 500 and 515 respectively.

Think any soft roader type 4x4 in the 2.4 litre and above and after 2001 are a no no from next year by what he said.

Its all been a bit quiet this and the info on the goverment site is as straightforward to work out as mud.

I keep reading bits i dont fully understand and, some of it looks bad, i mean in the cut paste above whats that mean about the honda crv is it going to be 800 quid to tax one of them from next year or what? :hmm:???

Sorry Tony but according to the cut and paste info above your mate has it wrong.

 

If you own a 2001 Honda CRV the tax should be £210/year and will stay that way (only inflation is added)

If you buy a 2016 Honda CRV now the tax in the first year will be £300 and every year after will be will be £210 (only inflation is added)

If you buy a 2017 (after April) Honda CRV the tax in the first year will be £800 and every year after will actually be cheaper at £140 (only inflation is added)

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Sorry Tony but according to the cut and paste info above your mate has it wrong.

 

If you own a 2001 Honda CRV the tax should be £210/year and will stay that way (only inflation is added)

If you buy a 2016 Honda CRV now the tax in the first year will be £300 and every year after will be will be £210 (only inflation is added)

If you buy a 2017 (after April) Honda CRV the tax in the first year will be £800 and every year after will actually be cheaper at £140 (only inflation is added)

Its the after 2001 4x4s i think he was on about, He said cars in highr bands mentioned bands l and m about 500 quid 515 for ms and that after 2001 to 2016.

I know latter 4x4s were more but he mentioned big cars like he acctualy mentioned a chrysler voyager 3.3 petrol, 515 quid, hes not generaly far off the mark, im going to have to sit down and work it out. Its not simple to understand from bits i have read it just keeps refering back to new cars all the time, but older ones will change, and older small cars esspecialy they go to 140 from nothing only electrics have zero tax.

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Nope, he's got it wrong... No change for any cars registered before 2017

An excerpt from here :- http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/92131/budget-2015-new-road-repair-fund-and-car-tax-overhaul

New VED road tax bands from April 2017
The new VED rates affect cars registered from 1 April 2017. The first year rates will continue to be set according to CO2 emissions although only zero-emission cars will be exempt from paying.
After the first year, a flat standard rate of £140 a year applies – although zero-emission vehicles continue to be free. Cars with a list price above £40,000 will attract a supplement of £310 on their standard charge for the first five years. All cars that were first registered before the new system comes into effect remain on the existing VED scale which will not change


P.S. Hope you're enjoying the Freelander, I've been thinking about one for a while now :good:

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Nope, he's got it wrong... No change for any cars registered before 2017

 

An excerpt from here :- http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/92131/budget-2015-new-road-repair-fund-and-car-tax-overhaul

 

P.S. Hope you're enjoying the Freelander, I've been thinking about one for a while now :good:

Well im glad he got it wrong. :lol: Probably why it all seemed hard to find anything about it on older cars. :lol:

Meanwhile the freeloader :friends: Its welded up nice big hole in the cill by the time i had ground out the rot made a proper repair bit took my 2 hours to make even put those little steps in the bottom edge to keep it looking right.

Welded the repair piece in put it in red oxide primer looked less obvious with the faded maron paint than grey. ill get some paint saturday, Cleaned and hit the bonet with the buffer it came up like glass, did the ns door that was the same its cleaning up ok.

Im pretty impressed with it for 400 quid i cleaned it out inside i am no squeaky clean car person but i like my own dirt not somebody elses.

Ill get it there, hope i dont get any major disasters with it, Belt was done 6k ago oil and filter done every 3 the oil 6k oil and filter, oils like very clean, pleased with it think its been looked after, i think the rot and fact its very old made him move it on, hes looked after it from what i can tell. it seems ok, BMW L series engine in it aparently online they seem ok.

its not huge inside and its a bit panoramic for dossing in overnight when fowling so not all good, it drives ok handles ok for what it is.

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