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We supply food to visitors, one of the meals we do is Rabbit stew, a few people have mentioned that they would be willing to pay for the experience of shooting rabbits, does anyone have experience of taking a paying guest, what are the pitfalls etc, I would supply the rifle some training and target practice, would it be preferable for the guest to use an air rifle or .22 lr, the experience would include cleaning and prepping the rabbit / s for the table,

any thoughts ? cheers IG

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The main pit fall is you're dealing with the general public. There are members of the general public who are a pain in the backside! I've just been stung for just under a thousand pounds and an insurance claim by a so called friend when she fell off her horse that I was breaking for her! I only let her ride it because she's a very good rider. Any way! They will moan if they don't shoot any, they will moan if they are too easy to shoot, they will moan if they're too hard to shoot, they'll want to claim off your insurance for any trip, slips or falls, undoubtedly someone will develop a case of lead poisoning from handling pellets, a spent case in the eye will be a claim, someone could cut themselves or get some sort of food poisoning from handling the guts...I'm struggling with job satisfaction at the minute!

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To be honest ur mibee as well lettnig them do it for free or putting ur B&B rates up.

 

Potentially ur basc/or others insurance might not cover u any more as taking paying guests out, unless u can word it differently

 

I'd also check with ur FEO/basc and make sure ur familar with all the relevant rules and laws, if u need ur firearms ticket ammended to add the estate rifle clause and make sure no other pitfalls u could fall into.

Kids under 18? is one, reallythey shouldn't be using an FAC atall unless they have there own licence.

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thanks lads for your excellent views, made me smile Benthejockey, scotslad wer'e not a bb but we do catering, specialising in home produce and fish. At he back of my mind i wondered if we couldnt do a few courses over the year teaching people aspects of boat fish, shooting and general foraging, then finish with some food prep and cooking, not all in one day but to suit the weather or the customers requirements, the idea was to spend less time in the kitchen ! how about an insurance waiver if there is such a thing

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BASC members can upgrade to a commercial policy for under £100 - see here: https://basc.org.uk/membersoffers/bespoke-insurance-policies/shooting-professionals-policy/

 

Details on quarry, open seasons etc. here: https://basc.org.uk/game-and-gamekeeping/quarry-species-shooting-seasons/

 

Fact sheet on the specific laws about rabbit and hare is here https://basc.org.uk/?s=ground game

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Rather than rifle shooting rabbits, which is dependant on the presence of rabbits, especially after the first shot, have you considered ferreting rabbits to shotguns?

A good ferreter is a must, but the shooting is challenging; explosively exciting and entirely satisfying. I do a lot of it and it is a real adrenalin buzz. Just a thought.

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To be honest ur mibee as well lettnig them do it for free or putting ur B&B rates up.

 

Potentially ur basc/or others insurance might not cover u any more as taking paying guests out, unless u can word it differently

 

I'd also check with ur FEO/basc and make sure ur familar with all the relevant rules and laws, if u need ur firearms ticket ammended to add the estate rifle clause and make sure no other pitfalls u could fall into.

Kids under 18? is one, reallythey shouldn't be using an FAC atall unless they have there own licence.

 

Pretty sure its under 17s that cant use without having a FAC.

BASC members can upgrade to a commercial policy for under £100 - see here: https://basc.org.uk/membersoffers/bespoke-insurance-policies/shooting-professionals-policy/

 

Details on quarry, open seasons etc. here: https://basc.org.uk/game-and-gamekeeping/quarry-species-shooting-seasons/

 

Fact sheet on the specific laws about rabbit and hare is here https://basc.org.uk/?s=ground game

 

Top work fella.

 

Good to see you dishing out advice and help on threads.

 

 

Edit to say,maybe you could clear up the age query as at the top.

 

Is it under 17 or 18 that a youngster needs a FAC to handle a firearm?

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U could well be right sako, i just know the law gets a bit complicated for kids and firearms.

Be worth checking it out.

 

Not wanting to take anything away from basc when david has given his time (not bad for 100 quid thought it would be dearer) but i think some other orgs may allow a certain ammount of money to be earned without commercial ins (either sga or sacs) don't think it's an awful lot thou

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U could well be right sako, i just know the law gets a bit complicated for kids and firearms.

Be worth checking it out.

 

Not wanting to take anything away from basc when david has given his time (not bad for 100 quid thought it would be dearer) but i think some other orgs may allow a certain ammount of money to be earned without commercial ins (either sga or sacs) don't think it's an awful lot thou

 

I think 17 and above can use but obviously in the right company and criteria but 18 to purchase but as you say it does get complicated.

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Pretty sure its under 17s that cant use without having a

 

Top work fella.

 

Good to see you dishing out advice and help on threads.

 

 

Edit to say,maybe you could clear up the age query as at the top.

 

Is it under 17 or 18 that a youngster needs a FAC to handle a firearm?

My son got FAC @ 15 but no guns on his licence he was allowed to use minecon a shared basis.Camt recall at what age he could have his own as we both packed in.

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I think 17 and above can use but obviously in the right company and criteria but 18 to purchase but as you say it does get complicated.

 

There should be a thread on this as I posted it on here as I went through this with nephew, but it was some time ago and for the life of me I can't remember the exact details.

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There should be a thread on this as I posted it on here as I went through this with nephew, but it was some time ago and for the life of me I can't remember the exact details.

 

Good idea to have a sticky actually as it trips so many folk up who genuinely dont know,especially as there are so many ins and outs.

 

 

 

Hopefully helps.

 

16Borrowed rifles on private premises.

(1)A person of or over the age of seventeen may, without holding a firearm certificate, borrow a rifle from the occupier of private premises and use it on those premises in the presence either of the occupier or of a servant of the occupier if—

(a)the occupier or servant in whose presence it is used holds a firearm certificate in respect of that rifle; and

(b)the borrower’s possession and use of it complies with any conditions as to those matters specified in the certificate.

(2)A person who by virtue of subsection (1) above is entitled without holding a firearm certificate to borrow and use a rifle in another person’s presence may also, without holding such a certificate, purchase or acquire ammunition for use in the rifle and have it in his possession during the period for which the rifle is borrowed if—

(a)the firearm certificate held by that other person authorises the holder to have in his possession at that time ammunition for the rifle of a quantity not less than that purchased or acquired by, and in the possession of, the borrower; and

(b)the borrower’s possession and use of the ammunition complies with any conditions as to those matters specified in the certificate.

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Do NOT overlook the need to have the relevant risk assessments and your requirement to have the necessary certificates, including Instructors qualification certificates (where applicable). I was involved with running a shooting ground some years ago and the Health and Safety bit was a minefield. Remember we now live in a 'Civil Lit' society.

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Good idea to have a sticky actually as it trips so many folk up who genuinely dont know,especially as there are so many ins and outs.

 

 

 

Hopefully helps.

 

16Borrowed rifles on private premises.

(1)A person of or over the age of seventeen may, without holding a firearm certificate, borrow a rifle from the occupier of private premises and use it on those premises in the presence either of the occupier or of a servant of the occupier if—

(a)the occupier or servant in whose presence it is used holds a firearm certificate in respect of that rifle; and

(b)the borrower’s possession and use of it complies with any conditions as to those matters specified in the certificate.

(2)A person who by virtue of subsection (1) above is entitled without holding a firearm certificate to borrow and use a rifle in another person’s presence may also, without holding such a certificate, purchase or acquire ammunition for use in the rifle and have it in his possession during the period for which the rifle is borrowed if—

(a)the firearm certificate held by that other person authorises the holder to have in his possession at that time ammunition for the rifle of a quantity not less than that purchased or acquired by, and in the possession of, the borrower; and

(b)the borrower’s possession and use of the ammunition complies with any conditions as to those matters specified in the certificate.

 

Good point.

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Do NOT overlook the need to have the relevant risk assessments and your requirement to have the necessary certificates, including Instructors qualification certificates (where applicable). I was involved with running a shooting ground some years ago and the Health and Safety bit was a minefield. Remember we now live in a 'Civil Lit' society.

 

thanks for the good advice folks, i have taken the occasional person free of charge and they enjoyed it (they had no previous experience) the idea would have been to take one or perhaps two as part of a wider experience to encompass such things as hauling creels and dressing crabs, catching mackerel and pollack, or raking cockles then prepare and cook the lot, along with their family/freinds in our kitchen in the barn, The boat side involves quite a few legalities but I think they are under control, it was the possibility of a bit of rabbiting that im unsure of, and i wouldnt want to get shot in the foot :unhappy: cheers IG

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I take people out from time to time for work BASC trade insurance covers me as does my instructors insurance.

 

You must insure they are not prohibited from handling firearms (includes air guns) have training easy for me I taught them to shoot.

 

They get grumpy if the game didn't get the email stating where and when they are to be shot and you draw a blank but normally calm down once it's explained these are wild animals.

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Can't believe the amount of fac holders that don't know the law.

 

Under the age of 18 you can not handle a firearm unless you have an fac with that firearm entered on it. Then you must be in company of someone over the age of 21.

 

 

 

 

Taking people out to shoot, for reward is a pain in the bum. Insurance issues. Easier to let them accompany you and you take the shot. Then there is no worries about a humane shot and the client getting upset because they missed up with buck fever.

Let them get their hand inside and do the deeds and then back to the kitchen

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Speaking from personal experience ( too complex to explain ) my advice to you would be to avoid it like the plague. Take them ferreting instead. !

thanks, been wondering about ferrets and the implications of a punter being dragged off and mauled by one of the beast's :unhappy:

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