stuckinthemud Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Hi guys, Guy from a near by permission came to say hello to me today whilst I was shooting, he's a nice guy and I'm always happy to see a friendly face. I shoot a Franchi and he commented that the extended chokes were really worth it. I shoot a full choke in my top barrel for high birds, and a half choke on the bottom for those low over the pattern. I should have asked the guy at the time but what benefit do extended chokes have over a tight choke? I think he said he shoots a 1/4 and a 1/2 choke but the extended ones. Hope that makes sense. SITM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Are you asking the benefits of extended chokes over flush chokes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckinthemud Posted September 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 In a round about way, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 The only thing that comes to mind that is a definite benefit with extended chokes, is that no tool is required to fit. Flush chokes may or may not pattern as well as extended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Extended chokes is a very broad term, some have no constriction inside the barrel this can help with hard shot types in mind thus preventing any flexing in the thread area of the tube, some start with constriction right from the botom of the tube. Extended choke tubes alow a longer area for profiling and double taper or multi taper constrictions can be used, doing this practicaly in a short tube is near impossible. Multi chokes are commonplace these days and newer choke thread types are getting longer but early multi chokes were very short like the old winchokes etc, compare that to an invector DS or optima plus, these are longer. In the old fixed choke guns longer chokes were common take browning A 5s they had a full choke around 4 or five inch long the old spanish tens again these big old doubles had long chokes about 5 inch long, these chokes were long tapers and typicaly when people saw the need to open them up they just turned out a paralel section next to the muzle this did remove overall constriction but you tended to need to remove significantly more than the measurement sujested to get the desired % pattern. Laping out some of the taper behind the muzle could alter the pattern % far more than removing constriction in the form of the typical reaming out of the parallel section at the muzle. Typical short multichokes tend to be very basic in profile more often than not pretty much a straight taper, some manufacturers do put some shape to the taper increasing the amount of constriction more sudenly when closer to the muzle rather than a plain taper, REM chokes are just such a choke and i must say they seem to work very well for a flush factory offering, Brownings Invectors and invector pluses are again slightly more profiled than say std baikal true tubes which are a plain taper end to end and their performance is in my opinion quite poor in std form. Many factory tubes are like this, manufacturers are on a budget to make guns they cant put the time into intricate profiling of choke internals and longer heavier constructed chokes as used in some forms of sport. Buying an aftermarket choke of known performance standards with a proven design and geometry can improve a gun in no uncertain terms, its just like spending a little money on a modified cylinder head on a car you want to use for competition, its not nessasary and millions run about stock just like guns with stock chokes, but if you want improved performance for whatever reason or sport you can gain from investing in your choke tube selection just as you could your car if you wanted. In the early days of multi chokes the old school myself included never felt the multis then performed like the longer fixed chokes, but now you seldom hear this, several ways of looking at this, either multis were always as good, or maybe they have got better , You decide but this much i can tell you aftermarket extended chokes can improve performance and its far more than just constriction, the geometry internaly is vital and effects performance a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Opinion varies, but it is a bold claim to say that extended chokes perform better. The theory of a longer taper sounds okay, but is it true? If it is true, why are extended chokes not six inches long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) Opinion varies, but it is a bold claim to say that extended chokes perform better. The theory of a longer taper sounds okay, but is it true? If it is true, why are extended chokes not six inches long? Going by a man's measurements 3" is 6".... Edited September 29, 2016 by Ttfjlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samboy Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 I think people worry too much about chokes, iv'e had extended and flush chokes and never noticed any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Opinion varies, but it is a bold claim to say that extended chokes perform better. The theory of a longer taper sounds okay, but is it true? If it is true, why are extended chokes not six inches long? Exactly, why don't fixed chokes taper start just after the cones in fact surely more taper for longer can only be a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footu Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Crowman shoots a patternmaster on the latest fieldsports vid, check out his opinion. I want to know why is a 4 inch cylinder 100 quid. Where are the chinese copies at 2.99? Im doing evening flight this unday, first flight this season for me and taking a patternmaster to see...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Crowman shoots a patternmaster on the latest fieldsports vid, check out his opinion. I want to know why is a 4 inch cylinder 100 quid. Where are the chinese copies at 2.99? Im doing evening flight this unday, first flight this season for me and taking a patternmaster to see...... Would you reall want to stick a Chinese £2.99 smartie tube in the end of a £1000+++ gun which throws an ounce plus of lead at 1000mph?I wouldn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Opinion varies, but it is a bold claim to say that extended chokes perform better. The theory of a longer taper sounds okay, but is it true? If it is true, why are extended chokes not six inches long? Can Perform better Between choke and perform you need can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footu Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Would you reall want to stick a Chinese £2.99 smartie tube in the end of a £1000+++ gun which throws an ounce plus of lead at 1000mph? I wouldn't! Id like to watch a few americans try first on you tube to be fair.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 I use extended chokes to protect the end of the barrels as I'm a Muppet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Can Perform better Between choke and perform you need can. ...and a full stop between 'better' and 'Between'. And some quotation marks, took me a while to decipher this! Hope this isn't going to descend into a thread ending squabble.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Makes no odds whatsoever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Like much to do with shooting and anything else for that matter, FASHION. Put the bird in the middle of the pattern and job done. Obviously distance is a deciding factor for the choice of choke, but I just shoot full and full and it saves all the messing about. If the bird doesn't drop, it's my fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Can Perform better Between choke and perform you need can. In English please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 In English please. Oh dear.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Glenlivet - I saw your post above, but I still have a problem with it. I am not having a pop at the poster - I genuinely haven't got a clue what he means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 I believe it is Yoda speak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) Glenlivet - I saw your post above, but I still have a problem with it. I am not having a pop at the poster - I genuinely haven't got a clue what he means. 'Can' perform better. Between 'choke' and 'perform' you need 'can'. You missed the modal verb 'can' from your statement about a bold claim. "Opinion varies, but it is a bold claim to say that extended chokes "can" perform better". Edited September 30, 2016 by Glenlivet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Glenlivet - thanks for that. If "can" is inserted, it might just as well read "can perform worse". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Glenlivet - thanks for that. If "can" is inserted, it might just as well read "can perform worse". Or better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 TONY R - I agree. The exact benefits of a longer choke cannot be proved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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