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Why you have already signed the application forms to give the police permission to contact your doctor..

Reading in a shooting mag the other day there was a comment i think it was from BASC not to pay and if the police

do not receive the report from the Doc within 21 days they go ahead and issue ticket..

 

One of my farmers ( lady ) she would get a kick from than, applied for SGC as here father was giving up his ticket at renewal and the gun had been in the family

for years.. Any way to cut a long story short North Yorkshire police asked her to get a doctors report, it cost her £48 + Vat so she asked the doctor for a receipt so she could claim the vat back

and said she wanted a copy of the letter.

 

She told me it consisted of 2 lines to say she was fit and healthy and she could see no reason to refuse her SGC..

 

Bloody £48 + vat she was really mad.. :sad1:

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why are they asking for a report now how long have you held a licence

 

About 40+ years!

 

I think it is a form of taxation by other means, a bit like speed cameras.

 

Nothing has changed from a medical point of view in the last 12 years

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Why you have already signed the application forms to give the police permission to contact your doctor..

Reading in a shooting mag the other day there was a comment i think it was from BASC not to pay and if the police

do not receive the report from the Doc within 21 days they go ahead and issue ticket..

 

One of my farmers ( lady ) she would get a kick from than, applied for SGC as here father was giving up his ticket at renewal and the gun had been in the family

for years.. Any way to cut a long story short North Yorkshire police asked her to get a doctors report, it cost her £48 + Vat so she asked the doctor for a receipt so she could claim the vat back

and said she wanted a copy of the letter.

 

She told me it consisted of 2 lines to say she was fit and healthy and she could see no reason to refuse her SGC..

 

Bloody £48 + vat she was really mad.. :sad1:

 

If I don't pay then they will assume I have something to hide and when my SGC runs out they may well turn up with the SWAT team and take my guns away.

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i renewed my certificate 2 months ago......took 4 days.......on the 6th day i got a letter from the surgery for £50 to release a letter to the police to allow the certificate to be granted....(which it already had 2 days previous).......phoned norfolk police and they said dont bother as they had already contacted the surgery and instructed my doctor to flag up on the medical notes that i was a holder....the doctor is then duty bound to inform the police if i have mental or medical issues that would affect my application...

 

so as i can make out it IS A SCAM.............they are trying it on...and with me they failed...got my certificate ...no worries ...no charge....the lady on the arms desk said as soon as they recieved the certificate APPLICATION the first thing they do is to instruct the doctors surgery....they didnt hear anything in 24hrs and issued the certificate ....END OF

 

 

GO BACK 3 MONTHS AND HAVE A SEArCH ON THE SAME SUBJECT.....

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Mine cost £37.50 .I would question why it was needed . For me it was because I had been diagnosed and was still on tablets for depression , although I did point out I had been handling shotguns every day during the worst of it without injury or danger to any one . But I decided to take the most stress free way of getting my renewal .

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About 40+ years!

 

I think it is a form of taxation by other means, a bit like speed cameras.

 

Nothing has changed from a medical point of view in the last 12 years

On the forms where it states do you suffer from depression etc

And you answer none how come they still ask for a report

Its seems like they don't believe you

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Why you have already signed the application forms to give the police permission to contact your doctor..

Reading in a shooting mag the other day there was a comment i think it was from BASC not to pay and if the police

do not receive the report from the Doc within 21 days they go ahead and issue ticket..

 

One of my farmers ( lady ) she would get a kick from than, applied for SGC as here father was giving up his ticket at renewal and the gun had been in the family

for years.. Any way to cut a long story short North Yorkshire police asked her to get a doctors report, it cost her £48 + Vat so she asked the doctor for a receipt so she could claim the vat back

and said she wanted a copy of the letter.

 

She told me it consisted of 2 lines to say she was fit and healthy and she could see no reason to refuse her SGC..

 

Bloody £48 + vat she was really mad.. :sad1:

Yep, that's what I was told when I phoned the firearms department for Staffordshire/West Midlands, no reply from GP in 21 days and you will get your ticket, and I did :yes:

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If it is the case that the police will issue your ticket if they do not hear from your GP could we not phone our GP and tell them they will be receiving a request from the police about our state of health and if there is a charge for a return letter/report to the police you will not pay it.

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Ok,,,,So on this issue,What happens if you say NO you cannot contact my GP,...??.

FIREARMS LICENSING

GP AND POLICE INFORMATION SHARING GUIDE

 

Principle underlying the sharing of data on firearm and shotgun applicants
  1. Information sharing between GPs and police firearms licensing departments can be necessary in order to reduce the risk to public safety which may occur if a medically unfit person possesses firearms.
  2. Information may be shared by GPs with the police as part of the application process, or if the GP considers that the public could be placed at risk of serious harm if they do not make their concerns about a firearm certificate holder known to the police. This is on the basis of the GP’s duty to protect and promote the health of patients and the public GPs may disclose information with consent and, if it is in the public interest, without consent to protect individuals or society from risk of serious harm The GP’s authority to provide medical information to the police is in accordance with Schedule 3 of the Data Protection Act 1998, which stipulates that certain conditions must be met for sensitive personal data to be shared.
  3. Medical information provided by the GP to the police will be copied to the applicant or certificate holder unless there is a strong reason not to do so.
  4. Due care must be exercised by both the police and the GP with regard to the security of information held concerning the applicant or certificate holder.
Consent
  1. The applicant gives their consent to sharing of information by their GP when they complete and sign the firearm and shotgun certificate application form. The applicant consents to the information sharing while the firearm or shotgun certificate remains valid, and not just at the time of application.
  2. The police will refuse the application if the consent section has not been signed. This being the case the GP can assume that consent has been given if an enquiry or notification is received from the police.
Application process: GP input

8. Applicants for a firearm or shotgun certificate are required to declare any relevant medical conditions on the application form. As part of the application process the police may ask some applicants to obtain and pay for a medical report to assist with their consideration of medical suitability. The medical report should be provided to police normally within one month of their request. If a further medical report by the GP or specialist is subsequently required by police, the police will pay the fee.

9. Following grant of the certificate the police will contact each certificate holder’s GP to ask them to place an encoded reminder on the patient record so that the GP is aware the person is a firearm certificate holder. This enables the GP to inform police if they have concerns about the person’s medical fitness which arise during the validity of the certificate. The letter explains that the police will inform the GP if the certificate subsequently lapses or is revoked or cancelled. In most cases the GP will not have been contacted by police during the application process (as this will usually only happen if the applicant has declared a medical condition), and the letter will normally ask if the GP has concerns about the person’s possession of a firearm certificate or if they have suffered from a relevant medical condition which could affect their suitability to safely possess a firearm or shotgun certificate.

10. Following contact from the police indicating that a person has been granted a firearm or shotgun certificate the GP will make an initial check and place the firearms code, and advise the police whether they have any concerns about the person’s possession of guns based on the medical record over the previous five years. If the police have concerns about a person’s medical condition as a result of the GP’s response, the GP may be asked to compile a report about the health of the person which will be requested and paid for by the police.

11. The GP or GP’s surgery should ensure that a response is provided to the police letter. In most cases the GP’s response will indicate that they have no concerns. The police letter will make it clear that if the GP fails to respond within 21 days the police will draw the inference that the GP has no concerns.

12. If the GP fails to respond to the police letter because it has been lost in the post or has been mislaid the letter will not be attached to the patient record. In these circumstances there can be no expectation that the GP would be able to respond or provide information concerning a person’s medical fitness. If the GP feels unable to participate on the basis of a conscientious objection, or for any other reason, they should refer the patient to a colleague if possible. If no colleague is willing or available, the GP should inform the police immediately that they will not be able to complete the form. In the unlikely event that this arises the police should discuss with the applicant/certificate holder how to obtain adequate medical information. The applicant or certificate holder should not be disadvantaged, nor the application delayed, by a GP’s refusal to provide medical information.

Encoded reminder on records of patients who are certificate holders

13. An encoded reminder should be placed on the GP record to indicate that the patient is a firearm or shotgun certificate holder.

14. If a GP has concerns about a certificate holder’s medical fitness during the validity of the certificate they should make these concerns known to the police. This might be, for example, if a certificate holder experiences deterioration in their health due to the onset of depression. This action will enable the police to make further enquiries and take a decision on the ongoing suitability of the person concerned to possess guns.

15. The GP should seek the consent of the certificate holder to make this disclosure, unless there is a compelling reason for not doing so, for example, because it could increase the risk of harm to the certificate holder or others. If consent is refused, the GP may disclose information if it is in the public interest to protect individuals or society from risk of serious harm.

16. If the police consider that they need a medical report in order to be able to make their decision on whether a person continues to be suitable to possess a gun, they will request this from the GP and pay for the report.

17. When a person ceases to be a certificate holder, either through their certificate expiring or being revoked or cancelled, the police will contact the GP within one month to advise them of this and ask them to inactivate the encoded reminder.

Necessity and Proportionality

18. During the application process, the police may require the applicant to obtain a medical report if they have concerns about the medical fitness of the applicant in relation to their possession of firearms following the declaration of a medical condition.

19. It is not necessary or proportionate for the police to request a report in all cases where the applicant has declared a medical condition, but only where the circumstances of the condition/s indicate there may be a risk to public safety.

20. GPs will respond to requests from the police in relation to those applications where the police consider that a medical report is necessary to assist with their further consideration of the application. GPs will provide factual information based on the applicant’s medical records and condition. GPs are not expected or required to make an assessment as to whether the applicant is fit to possess a gun, though it is open to them to do so.

21. There may be instances when a GP wishes to communicate their concerns about an individual’s access to guns, even though the person concerned has not sought treatment for one of the relevant conditions listed on the application form and police letter. For example, if there are concerns about domestic violence, or if the GP is aware that a person has access to firearms but is not a certificate holder. In these circumstances information may be shared with the police on the basis that the applicant has given their consent on the application form, or on the basis that it is in the public interest.

22. There may also be instances where the certificate holder contacts the police in relation to their medical fitness, or where a third party contacts the police with concerns about a certificate holder’s suitability to possess firearms. In such cases GPs may share information with the police on the basis that the applicant has given their consent on the application form, or because it is in the public interest.

23. Information should only be shared where it is strictly necessary to the intended outcome and is proportionate to it. Key to determining the necessity and proportionality of sharing information will be the GP’s professional judgement of the risks posed to an individual or the public by the person’s possession of a firearm. This is commensurate with the general duty on doctors to protect and promote the health of patients and the public.

Responsibility for assessment of firearm and shotgun applications

24. The police are responsible for deciding whether an individual should be permitted to hold a firearm or shotgun certificate, taking into account the information available to them. This duty lies with the police on the basis of the provisions in the Firearms Act 1968.

Sharing of data by public bodies

25. The sharing of data by public sector bodies must satisfy the requirements of the Data Protection Act, the Human Rights Act and the Common Law Duty of Confidentiality.

26. The information collected by organisations must comply with the relevant national guidelines and/or legislation for the management of information. For the police these are outlined in the Management of Police Information (MOPI) 2010, in particular section 7 which relates to the review, retention and disposal of information. For GPs, these are covered by the General Medical Council guidance and the NHS Code of Practice.

27. Summary of medical fees

During the application process

  • Where a medical report is required due to the applicant declaring a medical condition – the applicant will pay the fee.

 

  • If a further medical report is required – the police will pay the fee.

During the validity of a firearm or shotgun certificate

 

  • Initial check of patient record in response to standard police letter – there is no expectation of a fee.
  • Where a medical report is required due to the GP raising concerns or because the police require sight of a medical report for another reason – the police will pay the fee.

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