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#1 GingerCat

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 06:20 PM

So we went out to a large field of rape, there were literally thousands of pigeons feeding. I actually wondered if I had enough cartridges with me.
I need not have worred too much. We walk the birds away, they went to a wood half a mile or so away and then fed in the bottom corner of the field.
We set up where they had been and got ready for the no doubt stupendous volley of shots to follow....... They didn't.
Those pesky birds just went off else where.

No worries we can pack up, travel light to another wood and intercept them as they fly between a strip of game cover they seem to like and some rape.

Only they didn't. They just ******** off again.

What am I doing wrong (apart from trying to shoot on winter rape). Has the almihhty jdog winter rape extraordinaire got any tips (or anyone else for that matter).

I'm all ears.

#2 JDog

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 06:49 PM

Sadly I have no idea how to shoot those large flocks other than to wait for a good wind. You might do better in the fog tomorrow.

#3 kyska

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 06:56 PM

Same with me today, smashing our rape to bits, just walking them off and an hour for 15 on the wing is enough to make me feel I've done something.

I'll be putting kites out and having a Hawkman to deal with winter pigeons (locusts) tomorrow.

The flocks here are astounding, I've never managed good amounts shot, unless I invest in 300 decoys.

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 06:57 PM

As the man above says,its not easy.

 

Edit to say,the man above the man above.

 

I rarely try and shoot the big flocks or use deeks and stick to sitty trees and flight lines at this time of year.Pick a good day of wind and disturbance is pretty minimal to the flight and can make for some great sport.

We have huge numbers here just now and the next wild day ill be trying for a good bag.


Edited by sako751sg, 28 December 2016 - 06:57 PM.


#5 GingerCat

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:17 PM

That's the thing it was still which I know is far from ideal however there was no real flightline.
Birds were appearing from all over and the flock went off in a general direction but a flightless? Nope.
I wanted a windy day and may well have a pop tomorrow when the boiler chap has been.

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:21 PM

I still prefer to arrive at the fields before the pigeons at this time of year.



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:42 PM

I still prefer to arrive at the fields before the pigeons at this time of year.

 

Yes, me too, although I wouldn't bother going out in the current weather conditions of fog, with no wind, it's a total waste of time.

 

If you do a proper recce the day before, work out exactly where you will put your hide and get set up before first light, you can very often have a couple of hours very brisk sport, particularly if you have plenty of movement in the decoy pattern, with as many rotary's and flappers as you can get set up.

 

They've not yet started on the rape in any numbers around here, they're still scoffing acorns and beech mast, with a few on Ivy Berries and Hawthorn berries.

 

As regards GingerCat's dilemma, you've got to have a plan in place to try and block off their alternative feeding locations, either with other guns, or banger ropes.

 

Easier said than done, particularly if you don't have permission on adjoining farms, but, rest assured, the birds will sod off elsewhere to feed on nearby fields of rape if you don't have a plan in place to stop them... :yes:

 

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 08:18 PM

Get there early before they flock up, have a quick hour and go home for breakfast :good: Winter pigeons are a nightmare until they start to break up in the spring.



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 08:33 PM

Blocking alternate feeding sources is not going to happen. There's thousands of acres of surrounding land stuffed with game shoots and rape.
I think I'll have the odd wonder round till spring.

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:06 PM

I still prefer to arrive at the fields before the pigeons at this time of year.

+1, best advice, if you get there before the birds you can sometimes get a good first couple of hours but large flocks feeding together are notorious for disappearing as soon as you disturb them, I prefer February and March as the main flocks start to break up, you are more likely to get a steady trickle of birds all day rather than all or nothing,

If we could predict where they would be at any given time we would all be getting large bags, my average bag is around 25, a good day would be 50, but I'm happy with that ,I don't want to be dragging hundreds of birds back to my car and paying out for all those cartridges.

My aim is to get a few birds, keep them off the crop, have an enjoyable day out and last but not least, leave plenty for future days out :yes:  :yes:  



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:50 PM

nothing out the ordinary they are a pain in backside 90% of the time of the time on winter rape we all go through it but the other 10% they will play ball and you get a bag of 20 to 60 rather than  a dozen or so



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Posted 29 December 2016 - 08:32 AM

they are not showing any interest on our rape fields yet but have to turn up and show interest keeps farmer happy but as others have said shooting over rape very hit and miss but nice to be out in the country side

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 08:40 AM

I still prefer to arrive at the fields before the pigeons at this time of year.

 

   Top tip from a top shooter.



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Posted 30 December 2016 - 01:46 PM

Day before yesterday sat under a tree for a few hours good sport they were flying in 50 .to 70 a time ..from 12 till 3 today pack muled all my gear same spot flappers decoys the works not had a shot off..not looking forward to packing up and carrying all the gear back to car will give it another hour.....shotgun shooting is a dark art

#15 Ollieollie

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 01:58 PM

I suspect i will be in a similar position on new years day, but the wind is picking up according to the bbc so who knows. At the very least a nice way to begin the new year



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Posted 30 December 2016 - 11:35 PM

psycho, on 30 Dec 2016 - 1:46 PM, said:

Day before yesterday sat under a tree for a few hours good sport they were flying in 50 .to 70 a time ..from 12 till 3 today pack muled all my gear same spot flappers decoys the works not had a shot off..not looking forward to packing up and carrying all the gear back to car will give it another hour.....shotgun shooting is a dark art

why is it  ? 

how did you get on by the way



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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:31 PM

why is it  ? 
how did you get on by the way

It is never the same you can go to the same spot 50 times and get large bags or no bags.yesterday's shoot I carried enough stuff to drop a pack horse,decoys.flappers .spinners the works and only got 3 pigeons and a crow.48 hours earlier got 14 with no gear but a face vale..sometimes I can use a 410 and never miss.other times an automatic putting up a wall of lead and never hit a thing.it can be frustrating for 3 hours and you then have the best ten minutes of your life..in comparison long range rifle shooting is easy..to me shotgunning is a dark art . hopefully the earth.fire.water.wind gods favour myou shooting in 2017

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:38 PM

i was out today on rape,i did get 10, but hard work.



#19 ShropshireSam

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 09:26 PM

My advice for winter pigeons - Do plenty of reccies, wait for a windy day and get out and set up (on a flightline if possible) before the pigeons arrive ..... AND never expect a big bag! 






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